Posts by cyber-sista

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Why I am leaving JWD

by logansrun in

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i'm leaving this forum...at least temporarily.

as i mentioned in conversation over dinner at the chicago apostafest, my upcoming school schedule (which begins next week) combined with my workload will make it very difficult to be an active member on this forum.

perhaps i'll check in occassionaly when life is a little slower but for now i'd better distance myself from the on-line scene or else the other elements in my life will suffer.

cyber-sista

continue to hold to the suspicion that most ex-JWs do not manage their thoughts and emotions with regard the WTS fairly or rationally. Yes, the Society is wrong and we have been hurt. But, it wasn't that bad.

I'll be honest with you Bradley that one statement pushed my buttons. Glad it wasn't that bad for you and you could come out of it with not much pain, but...that it not how it is for some. Sometimes I feel like everybody I knew including family was washed away in one big tsunami. They are no longer a part of my life--I no longer have access to them--they are gone away from me and that hurts. But we carry on, try to start up a new life and process the old one out of our systems. That is why I come here to help myself and others grow beyond the WT. But this is not my life--just one component of it. I have sorted quite a bit over the months, but things crop up once in a while and I come here because most people here have an understanding about the many complex problems one deals with when exiting a mind bending cult. A bit of compassion goes along way with the healing process.

But with all of that I have enjoyed ~~arguing~~ discussing with you the many topics presented here at JWD and I wish you all the best.

cybs

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Brought up as a Witness

by newbie-australia in

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i'm a newbie to anything like this.

are most people here ex-jws?.

anyone brought up as witnesses from birth?.

cyber-sista

aloha Newbie,

welcome...I was never Dfd nor am I D'Ad but I have been dumped by some family and 20 years of friendships too. I left because I began to see much that was wrong, I was hurt by it and I stopped believing that the WT was god's spirit directed organization. Glad you got out when you were young. anyway, there is a lot of support here if you need it. It's rough to lose family and friends because of the WT conditional love program (we will only love you if you love the WT) But we soon find out that there are people out in the world who are open hearted and wonderful human beings and we seek them out and have to leave the adherents of the WT behind.

the best to you,

cybs

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-16-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 01 16 05 wt study (december 1, 2004)

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cyber-sista

Finally the c harteuse elephant sitting to the left of the pink one is prescription medication. Never mentioned as a problem by the WTS, this is pandemic escapism in JW Land. I know so many that live in a "fog of faith," just that little bit of anti-depressant seems to grease the skids of spiritual endurance.

Ezekial I totally agree...Just about all of my JW friends were on meds---some had tranquilizer addictions. At the time I thought they were just under pressure like everyone else in this "old system of things." I am not opposed to these medications for anyone who may need to use them at difficult times in their lives, but the percentages of use in JW land is way off the charts. If it is this way with medications I wonder what the percentages are with alcohol and JWs.

Thanks blondie...... Like you stated there really is no real inspiring information here, just a lot of repetition--enough to make you want to go home and take a drink! This mind numbing study may do more harm than good.

This whole article could have been condensed into a couple of sentences such as: It is wise and can even be beneficial at times to use alcohol in moderation, but know your limits. If you have a problem with over drinking you may want to consider seeking professional help. The end

cybs

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Just got back from the 2004-2005 circuit assembly here are a few thoughts.

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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upon arriving i ran into lots of old friends and really enjoyed seeing everyone and visiting.

they dont know that im currently struggling with doubts about the organization and they think that im the same old zealous brother.

i couldnt help but feel a sence of guilt visiting with them about our current number of publishers and how many we had pioneering ect.

cyber-sista

What really irks me is that we used to be warned by the WT Org about not sending around those JW email forwards, as many of these second hand stories could not be confirmed as true...

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Just got back from the 2004-2005 circuit assembly here are a few thoughts.

by PaNiCAtTaCk in

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upon arriving i ran into lots of old friends and really enjoyed seeing everyone and visiting.

they dont know that im currently struggling with doubts about the organization and they think that im the same old zealous brother.

i couldnt help but feel a sence of guilt visiting with them about our current number of publishers and how many we had pioneering ect.

cyber-sista

THE HEAD MAN AT OXFORD UNIVERSITY, THE LITTLE AIDS COFFIN & THE LITTLE LOSER GIRL STORIES were probably some of the high points of the assemblies for most who attended.

These stories are clearly fabrications intended to prompt and manipulate the JW trained mind in one way or another.

The head man at oxford who says that JW material is college level reading? This story is conveying the message to the R&f that the WT material is of high quality and those who study it are getting something of great value for free! (so they better start appreciating it!) AND , this WT education makes them extra smart too and much smarter and better than others in the world who don't have the privledge of having this lofty WT education.
The aids coffin story? Be in fear of worldly people--they are dangerous and devious and will lure you to your death. The sister in this story is a typical WT depiction of a JW woman--who has no mind of her own and is easily lead astray by her own weak womanly out of control desires. Sisters don't trust yourselves--you have no brains!!!

The little girl loser story How do you spell guilt?

It was mentioned that the book studys were being skipped by alot of brothers and that it was ironic that we are studying the "draw close to Jehovah book" He said "this is exactly what satan doesnt want us to do!!" He mentioned that many say its the best book the society has put out in years. He read a poem called "daddy wouldnt go" about a father who quit the meeting and his little girl turn into a complete loser all because daddy wouldnt go.(you could hear a few sobs from the audience.

cybs

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Were You On The Same Wave Length As The Others In The Hall???

by minimus in

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can you get in trouble for playing chess, having a very large gathering, going to a pg13 movie, etc.??????

so many answers amounted to this----as the answer-----"you just know better, that's all".

"mature ones" just "knew" without asking whether something was right or wrong, doable or not.

cyber-sista

I was always on the fringe and hung around with a few of the reject dubs. We would hang out in the back of beatnik coffee shops and have secret meetings where we spoke of poetry and the latest non-theocratic books we had read. Sometimes we would secretly take a non-theocratic class together, but never make it known to others in the congo (watercoloring and things of that sort would be considered futile and non-essential activities) Most of my friends were on medication because they were "too" sensitive for the Org and had to try and numb that part of themselves. We were the weak and sickly ones according to the others who were in the middle of the organization (the proverbial sheep pen as it was referred to). Glad I finally broke out of the pen.

cybs

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Comments You Will Not Year at the 1-9-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 1-09-05 wt study (december 1, 2004)

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cyber-sista

if other people are this bad how would anyone ever become a witness?
arnt all non witness potential witnesses since god forgives everything including murder .how can anyone not be good enough for JWs.its horrible to see other people in that way how
can you ever be a force for good with an attitude like that? I'd love to see the JW's be honest
about how they feel about non witnesss...

Deception seems to be the name of the WT game.

That's what I mean Lurk--the WT leaves too many unanswered questions for thinking people...

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Comments You Will Not Year at the 1-9-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 1-09-05 wt study (december 1, 2004)

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will be in black and parentheses ().

cyber-sista

Can't remember the scripture number, but it is written in the bible that the apostle Paul became all things to all people in order to preach to them. How could that be if you are supposed to shun them and view them as unworthy of your association? How can you help people you are supposed to hate? The WT leaves many unanswered questions...

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Out of the Blue, An Elder Calls

by FreePeace in

last night, my cell phone rang and it was a number i didn?t recognize.

i answered, and the voice said, ?is this doug??

and he said, ?this is dd ?

cyber-sista

I stated again that I appreciated the intent of his call, that I had nothing against him personally, and the reason for my being so direct was to emphasize that I am NEVER coming back, and to NOT CALL ME AGAIN unless you are thinking about leaving the organization.

Doug,

I've been "inactive" for over about 1 1/2 years now and still no calls from the elders, though I am expecting one someday. I have prepared many senarios in my head as to what I will say. I am so totally out of the organization now, as far as believing in any of their relgious doctrines. I am torn as to what to say when they do come around. I think it will depend on their approach--I will have pity for them if they are cowering, but if they lay it on me i may have to give it back to them--the above statement seems to resonate with the way I feel right now.

cybs

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Comments You Will Not Year at the 1-9-05 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 1-09-05 wt study (december 1, 2004)

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cyber-sista

How are JWs expected to "witness" to people at work or school if they think these people are out to hurt them?

My daughter befriended a young witness girl--about 17 at the time who was so paranoid of worldly people that she hardly ever left her home. I knew others too who were overly paranoid. I remember one sister who told me shortly before I left that she meets worldly people sometimes who seem nice ,but you can't fall into their trap-they have ulterior motives-they are just acting nice so that they can lead you astray.

I feel sad that I passed up some great potential friendships over the years, because of this JW rule. Gladly now that I'm out I have renewed some old friendships and am making some new--all my JW friends have put me out of their lives, which is sad, but really for the best now as I can't handle my assoiciation with them either. Only one out of state sister call me recently--she knows I have been "discouraged" and I think she does care and was trying to "encourage" me by telling me of all the woes in the world and her health problems and everybody else's problems. I felt sorry for her, but it was a real downer talking with her. A lot of JWs seem really lonesome--i know I was. Being told to socialize with a small group of people who you don't particulary have anything in common with is rather stifling and creates a lot of lonliness.

Thanks blondie,

cybs