just a little tid bit that probably is more fluff than stuff.. .
when i attend an elders school in escondito,,ca i think it was maybe 1992 (r maybe it was later in central ca not sure of that detail) samuel herd (then a do) and merlton campbell (sevice dept.
) conducted the school.
da gb makes da rules and dey can damn well breaks dem
really, this shouldn't be a problem for them to do go overtime.....its their organization, they can do whatever they want...
I remember glen howe at canada bethel going overtime as much as he bloody well wanted to when it was his turn for morning worship comments (normally only 1 minute if I remember correctly), and no one would stop him in the slightest.....ahhhh membership (at the top of canada's jw legal team) has its privileges.....
boa
welcome to the forum, i received your pm but alas i cannot pm back.
i am having problems with my imac, so i thought i would say i here.
i am between hartford and oconomowoc in a town called rubicon.
A big ol' boa welcome to ya Snapdragon!
stumbling is a term i never understood.
let's suppose i robbed a bank and a witness was a witness to my crime.
would they decide to the same thing?
apparently, the 'weak' can be stumbled by pretty much anyone...especially if its the prominent or 'strong' ones doing something 'stumbling'....yet the 'weak' should know better and not allow themselves to be stumbled!
its circular and I agree with those who said it is a control mechanism which is why I plan to use it against THEM if I am questioned on my 'fade' - standard reply will be - 'I've been terribly stumbled however, it wouldn't be right for me to discuss it with you.' Short and sweet.
In a sense its true....I've been stumbled from this organization by the men at the top and all they have built up once I got to know the REAL truth!
boa
there are a lot of websites that have the scans that prove the watchtower joined the u.n.. .
it is enough for most to see this- however some of us have friends/relatives who are still "plugged-in" and seeing a downloaded scan ( which are a bit fuzzy) with a web-address from websites that are clearly ex-jw completely deflate the value - since they "can't be authentic- they're from apostates>>>!!!--".
are there ways to get an ngo book?
Hi jorl! and Welcome to JWD!
I realize you're looking for a hardcopy of some of the UN NGO scandal info. However, as some have posted above, all the valid information is on the official UN website, and remember, the watchtower society has NOT denied they were an NGO! The question for any JW shouldn't be - Were they an NGO associated with the UN? but WHY and HOW could this happen?
Here is a link
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/71195/1127385/post.ashx#1127385
to a thread in which I posted the official UN links for 3 seperate and important pieces of the WTS NGO UN scandal. As well, there is a link to the original article from the Guardian (UK online newspaper) which exposed the wts involvement as a NGO. Just scroll down on the first page to my post.
There are other links too that show that the wts claim it was for a 'library card' and that 'we quit being an NGO after the requirements changed' as a smokescreen and untrue. (those links are not official UN links)
hope this helps
boa
http://www.e-watchman.com/discussion/
that's the link.
you all better get right on over there now and register.
corvin, you have a pm
well as you would have guessed from my name, i am a proud witness and i feel obliged to preach to you about the promises that our wonderful creator, jehovah god, has promised each and every one of us, of any race or background.
i know that you already know what he has told us through his word, but i am curious to wonder why you have chosen to jump off the narrow road which leads to everlasting life.
is it because you have had a bad experience in god's organization?
A most polite hello to you Proud Witness.
Welcome to the greatest jw forum on earth.
You are a much needed balance to all of us, and I for one hope you stay around.
I am truly open to any honest statement or argument you may have to help me to find the truth.
If you do not want to do truly help, your motives will become very clear if they aren't already.
Yours truly,
boa
the p0420 code is showing up again on my car... everyone i talk to agrees that the problem is with the catalytic converter(s).
the problem i am having is that no one (including the dealer) can tell me how many or where my catalytic converter(s) are.
i have heard people say that there is 1, 2 and even 3 catalytic converters.. so far the most plausable (and financially disturbing) thing i have heard is that there is one "catalytic converter" just before the muffler and two "pre-catalytic converters" attached to the exauhst manafolds on each side of the v6 engine.
uhhh, without knowing what car you have, I'll just explain a bit about the catalytic converter and o2 sensors on your car.
if the car is newer than '94, then it likely will have 2 o2 sensors per catalytic converter. The first one is used by the computer to help control the fuel ratio - the main purpose being emissions, then mileage. The second o2 is to monitor the effectiveness of the catalytic converter. If it has a problem reducing/oxidizing the engines emissions, then a code will be set from the signal of that second o2. The same goes for if the sensor itself has a problem...a code may be set.
If you have factory dual exhaust then you may have 2 cats and 4 o2 sensors. The reason there may be some confusion over how many cats you have may be due to the fact that there are two main parts to each cat itself and is usually internally divided. One section is designed to do a 'reduction' chemical reaction (primarily for Nox emissions) and the other section will do an oxidation reaction (for changing carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions to make them less harmful).
Catalytic converters will almost always be as close as possible to the engine. The reason for this is that they will heat up to their necessary operating temperature quicker and stay at that temp better in all driving conditions.
Other components that may seem similar to cats are : mufflers, and resonators..However if you can be virtually sure that the cat is the device right inbetween the two o2 sensors on one exhaust pipe. One o2 in front of the cat, and one just downstream of the cat.
hope this helps....
boa
a few years ago....before i went to bethel....i was very troubled in mind and heart and quite fervently prayed to jehovah asking for help.....i really really poured my heart out when all of a sudden...... i went completely catatonic (i was lying down in bed on my back).
i was still concious, but i felt like i was no longer a part of my body and in fact don't think i could've moved if i'd tried to.....it was very strange and i believe its only happened once since then (while during a heartfelt prayer).
has this happened to any of you?.
thanks mark for your comments and everyone else for the different ideas on what happend. Chevy I saved those links to look into astral travel more....interesting ideas.
I currently look at most things from a non-'mysterious' view right now....an strong inclination that contributed to leaving the org as there are many many 'mysteries' in that religion like any other (the 'anointed' KNOWING their anointed for example)
Special K - please keep kidding...i enjoy it a lot. I also have done some lucid dreaming....it seems to happen in spurts though....suppose I should get some information on how to do it more regularly since I find being the 'director' of a dream 'movie' kinda fun.....
boa
my fathers mother was a jw all of her life and she die two years ago at the age of 97. my mother and father divorced when i was three and my mother remarried when i was 5. turns out my mother and grandmother hated each other.
so my mother raised us kids religion free.
she figured we could work out the god issues on our own.
maverick you said it. I'm pretty much in the same boat, and kinda like the ride so far! Wifee and I want to leave the place perhaps a wee bit better than we arrived (life) and don't really seek 'answers' or 'higher purpose' than the life we have now......
its funny, reading coc and isocf.....I tend to move as quickly as possible through the doctrinal sections as it isn't really interesting to me anymore....that is ray's choice but not my at this point....still both a great read though
boa
the society would like to say this is done (except for the 'life stories') because 'all recognition' blah blah blah should go to jehovah...but what do you think are the real reasons why everything is published anonymously?.
and, is this also a common practice in other religious articles/publications?.
boa...
lol 6o9! k, thats one very good point though probly not the 'real' ones 'they' are thinking behind the scenes, but since I didn't specify that - keep ALL ideas coming! lol
