Posts by Incognito

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

Incognito

It's not my responsibility to debunk anything. I am only suggesting to not be so trusting and accepting of things just because they say it.

One way for WT to support their claims would be to be transparent and publish an audited financial report.

Each congregation is (or at least was) required to post an unaudited monthly financial statement. Congregants can at least then review the posted numbers for themselves.

As only an aural financial report summary was read part way through a CA, there was little for the average r&f JW to review.

No financial reports are even read during a DA/RC.

WT provide no financial reports so there is nothing to verify the now frequent claims as to needing additional donations.

Just because they claim something and behave in a manner which appears to support that position, doesn't necessarily make it so.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

I didn't claim $1 or $2 Billion is an infinite amount of money. With all the literature cutbacks, branch closures, reduction or elimination of bethelites, DOs, Missionaries and other cost cutting measures, I do expect that substantial amount of money will now go much farther than it will have prior to when those reductions were implemented.

WT has for many years (I can't say always) had an investment portfolio. Even if Stocks, Bonds etc are donated to WT, unless they are cashed in, they remain an investment holding.

It seems SBF, Fisherman and some others, continue to believe info provided by WT and the GB is always truthful and accurate. I as many, have recognized lies are told or creative accounting is implemented when beneficial to the org.

Consider how a 1 day circuit assembly is claimed to incur a $12K+ expense when held in a tax exempt venue which was built and paid for with money initially donated by the JWs who use it.

Remember, it is only lying when the questioner is entitled to the truth.

Are you, me or most R&F witnesses entitled to know various WT matters such as WT's financial situation, even as those same people are 'encouraged' and expected to donate on an ongoing basis and further pay for any claimed shortfalls?

Consider Jackson's testimony at the ARC. As a man made commission is beneath God and his org, did Jackson consider the ARC was entitled and worthy of truth?

In terms of abuse victims, while no-one can undo past abuses, WT continues to resist taking reasonable steps to prevent or at least reduce future abuse occurrences. WT continues to refuse to appropriately address and correct ineffective and inappropriate policies and procedures which have resulted and continue to result in financial settlements and legal claims against WT.

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

Incognito

WTS does not have the major expense in producing paper literature anymore

Who is printing Bible's and the literature displayed on the carts and D2D? While I understand many JWs now use electronic tablets at the door, is there nothing that is given to a householder as there is available on a cart? Cart literature which is distributed will need to be replaced.

I recall previously reading, WT had printed other Bible translations for other organizations. Does that still take place?

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Question for SBF

by Fisherman in

slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

- this thread is your if you want it..

Incognito

Although cost overruns are common in any large construction project, those over runs even if multiple million $, would be relatively minor in comparison to the Brooklyn property selloff. One Billion is one thousand million. Recent estimations I've seen are well in excess of $1B from the Brooklyn selloff alone, some estimating closer to $2B.

Perhaps those funds are considered as investment or capital and will not be used for day-to-day operating expenses.

I suspect the contamination was identified before the Warwick and UK properties were even considered and therefore, WT was able to purchase at a highly reduced prices, with the expectation that 'slave' labor would be mainly used for cleanup. Consider how many JWs would take a leave from work to travel across the country at their own expense for the 'priveledge' of helping at Bethel.

Although most of us think it dumb to purchase contaminated property or they didn't realize the contamination until too late, I think they knew full well and took advantage of any government assistance they could obtain or action against the prior owners, to offset the expense of restoring the properties.

It seems when you say the new Bible costs a fortune to produce, I expect you are thinking in terms of normal costs for a For Profit company which must pay salaries, vacation, benefits, insurance, income tax, property tax, paper, ink, and other overhead costs, in addition to making a profit.

Although there would be time required for translation, again, slave labor. Since there would be a limited number of word changes from the previous NWT, a computer could quickly identify those changes, likely from a digital English master document, so that the translation 'staff' for each language, are only required to concentrate on the changed text so that syntax is appropriate.

Regardless of WT's current financial situation, perhaps those at the top have realized the decline in first world JW membership and are using this opportunity to accumulate as much money as possible before the current money pot dries-up.

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Had to say something to a couple of cart women in Bentonville square.

by blownaway in

my wife and i were walking up to the original walmart store in bentonville.

its now a museum.

two women were sitting in the park next to a cart.

Incognito

I think any JW going D2D or attending a cart, has to anticipate some opposition from anyone they talk to. They are ultimately attempting to convert everyone to be JWs regardless of the person's current beliefs.

If your purpose was to engage them in discussion to hopefully raise a few points for them to consider further, it is counter productive to introduce yourself as an 'Apostate' which only caused them to immediately shut down so they didn't hear anything you said afterward.

It seems your only purpose was to give them a hard time thereby fulfilling WT's warnings about Apostates.

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What is Nature's most perfect food?

by compound complex in

greetings, gourmands of the forum!.

i agree with garfield, but mayo comes in a close second.

slathering my pasta with an inch of best foods real mayonnaise (hellman's, east of the rockies) is close to heaven for me.

Incognito

Probably just a UK thing. - St. George

Not just UK but Canada too.

Trying to find good fish today, not so plentiful.

When I was in school, there was a Fish 'N Chip truck pull-up 1 afternoon each week across from school. Big, flaky pieces of Halibut and fresh chips drizzled in vinegar and wrapped in newspaper. Kids going every direction would be attracted from the smell alone. Best ever!

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A new step in my exit from the WT

by Skepsis in

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friends

if you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.

but after every step, i could feel freer and better.

i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.

Incognito

I agree with Stan.

I think for you to do as you did, it would have been better to attend a congregation some distance away from where you are actually living. That way, the new elders would not know your address and if asked, you could give the excuse that your residence is only temporary until you can locate a permanent home or apartment. As you will not be returning after a few visits, you wouldn't need to move again and, you remain unknown at your real new location.

Perhaps you could have stated that your new work schedule appears to initially conflict with meeting times so you may miss some meetings until the schedule is resolved. Since you're new, once they don't see you for awhile, they will tend to forget about you.

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A new step in my exit from the WT

by Skepsis in

jw
friends

if you remember, i've been posting here my subsequent steps from a regular pioneer and ms at the beginning of this year to a rank-and-file publisher after stepping down as ms two months ago.. during these months, i've been through a difficult way.

but after every step, i could feel freer and better.

i've met a person outside the wt that has changed my life forever and i have experienced a freedom of thought and an inner peace like never before.. however, i knew that staying in my hometown would make my fading very difficult.

Incognito

I went to one meeting in a congregation in my new city for asking to the secretary's address.

Since your intention is to fade, why would you attend and make yourself known as a JW in your new location? If your old congregation elders didn't know where you had moved to, it seems to me you wasted a near perfect fade opportunity to just disappear.

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