AngelofMuZiC

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  Batting averages: WTS vs apostle Peter

  by Defender in

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  the society publishes an average of 22,000,000 wt and 19,000,000 number of awake magazines every two weeks.

  if we assume that 6,000,000 of each go toward the number of active publishers as their personal copies.

  that leaves 16,000,000 issues of wt + 13,000,000 for awake = 29,000,000 that are to be used for disciple making.. multiply 29,000,000 by 26 = 754,000,000 average yearly printing.. divide 754,000,000 by 288,907 (number of baptized in 2000) = 2609. yes, 2609 number of magazines (not counting books, brochures and tracts) must be distributed in order to recruit one new member.. now for the number of hours; .

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  AngelofMuZiC

  I agree with Defender. I cannot tell you how many Wt's & Ak's I have seen go straight into the garbage after my mother gave them out to neighbors and family friends. Then we have hundreds of mags, ranging from 1987-2001 lying around the house collecting dust. If the WTS is so interested in helping people, they should spend some of that money for hiring scholars who can actually interpret the bible correctly, and they should follow the advice given about caring for orphans and widows.
  My Regards, Joanne
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  A People For His Name

  by Princess in

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  does anyone know where i can get a copy of the book "a people for his name" by timothy white?.

  my husband really wants a real copy of the book since all we have is a photocopied version.. any help is appreciated!.

  princess.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  Princess,

  You could try vintage book stores, the public library, or maybe even E-bay.
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  "Have I committed the unforgiveable sin?&q...

  by LDH in

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  *** g94 11/8 20 have i committed the unforgivable sin?

  masturbation is an unclean habit.

  (2 corinthians 7:1) however, the bible does not class it with serious sins such as fornication.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  I THINK THAT FREDHALL IS THE BIGGEST FREAKIN JERK ON THIS BOARD, AND I THINK HE NEEDS TO SHUT UP WITH HIS STUPID CRACKS, AND NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH UNTIL HE HAS SOMETHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY!!!!!

  WHO AGREES?
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  What drives exJWs to atheism?

  by ros in

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  a significant number of former jehovah's witnesses come out of the watchtower still believing the bible and considering themselves christians.

  most coming out are in a serious state of bewilderment, and they look intently and sincerely for something to fill the huge void of lost religion, lost family and friends, and lost fellowship.

  they seek some viable spiritual association with others of like mind while at the same time having become very wary of any organized religion.. what is it that eventually draws so many of us (not me) to agnosticism or atheism?

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  AngelofMuZiC

  Very Well Said!!!

  I had a similar experience. It was actually some members of a Born Again church that I had been talking to, that convinced me it was time to get out of the JW religion. They pulled the same thing you described. Then after awhile, I realized they are just like any other religion out there, and I am turned off by all organized religion. But, I have not relinquished my belief in God or the Bible. Anyway, thanx for the insight.

  My Regards,
  Joanne
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  Hi everyone....

  by Jeremy Bravo in

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  as i sit in front of my computer in a drunken stupor wondering what might have been, i felt i had to post my story to those who might truly understand what i am going through.. i am a newbie here, but have been lurking around for the last few weeks.

  i am 25 years old, from ontario, and totally heartbroken.. to give you some background, back in 1998, i studied with the witnesses because some friends of mine, whom i believe to be honest and sincere people, gave me (i thought at the time) some good advice to start a book study.

  i did, and i really enjoyed it because i felt they presented everything factually and had a strong interpretation of the scriptures (i'm a facts man, you see).

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  AngelofMuZiC

  Wow, that is touching. I just want to give you a really big hug!!!! I know that what you're going through is hard to deal with, and some others have told you to move on. But that's easier said than done. I lost someone too because my remaining morally sound wasn't something they wanted to deal with. I am an ex-JW, but, I still wish to keep my morals. The person who I was with just couldn't understand why. He insisted on getting drunk all the time, and kept trying to get me to sleep with him. Im not some holy-roller, as some may think, but I don;t like immorality. And this person left me becasue he felt restricted by me. That hurts bigtime, and I felt like I would never recover. I still have some doubts regarding relationships and trust. I feel like all those times he said I love you, were just lies too. But with time, the pain will go away, and you will be okay. I hope you stay with us here on the board.
  My Regards, Joanne
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  new to this db

  by exodus in

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  i'm new on this board.

  i hope to share my own experience on how i'm exiting out of this org.

  pls stay tune for more.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  I can't wait to hear your story, so please don't forget to share!!! This is a great board to be on, and anytime you need advice or suggestions, you will recieve all the help you can imagine. Glad to have you!!!

  My regards,
  Joanne
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  THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!!!

  by AngelofMuZiC in

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  the following are excerpts from the offical office of public affaris of jehovah's witnesses website:.

  do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

  many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  THE FOLLOWING ARE EXCERPTS FROM THE OFFICAL OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFARIS OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WEBSITE:

  Do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?
  No. Many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not Jehovah's Witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life. Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before God's time of judgment, and they will gain salvation. Moreover, Jesus said that we should not be judging one another. Humans look at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart. He sees accurately and judges mercifully. God has committed judgment into Jesus' hands, not ours.—Matthew 7:1-5; John 5:22, 27.
  Do you shun former members?
  Those who simply cease to be involved in the faith are not shunned. In compliance with the Scriptures, however, members can be expelled for serious unchristian conduct, such as stealing, drunkenness, or adultery, if they do not repent and cease such actions. Disfellowshipping does not sever family ties. Disfellowshipped members may continue to attend religious services, and if they wish, they may receive pastoral visits. They are always welcome to return to the faith.—1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

  COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!!!
  Joanne
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  WT May 1 & June 15, 2001

  by Defender in

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  the may 1 and june 15, 2001 watchtower issues have reading articles about helping widows through their trials and look after orphans and widows in their tribulation.

  both articles contain very healthful counsel, tips and recommendations to the grieving and needy and to those around them on how, and when to offer help and support.. the problem with these articles is not that the average jw or local congregation elders are not doing their part in helping out the needy.

  in fact, most individual jws are as compassionate and supportive as the average person.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  Excellent!!!Very Excellent!!! I don't think Siskel and Ebert could have done a better commentary!!! If you could, I'd like you to check out my post on the July 1 '01 WT, and let me know what you think.
  My regards,
  Joanne
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  Regarding the JULY 1 2001 Watchtower Article

  by AngelofMuZiC in

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  watchtower-july 1, 2001 article "do not let doubt destroy your faith".

  this article is stunning!!!

  the "spiritual gems" found in this article are in my opinion priceless.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  Watchtower-July 1, 2001 Article "Do Not Let Doubt Destroy Your Faith"

  This article is stunning!!! The "spiritual gems" found in this article are in my opinion priceless. Here is my commentary:

  In the first three paragraphs, the Society uses an example of bacterial infection that takes over the body causing severe sickness and possible death, comparing it with the effects of doubt. (A little extreme, don't you think?)

  Doubt-Is It Always Bad?

  Paragraph 4 quote:
  "At times, you suspend acceptance of something till you are sure of the facts. Religious exhortations to the effect that you should just believe and doubt nothing are dangerous and deceptive."--Whoa, put on the brakes!!! Isn't that exactly what the WTS does, or are they changing their mind again?! Well, wait a minute. As I recall, whatever doubts you have, you're supposed to bring them to the attention of an Elder or MS, so they can direct you to a book OTHER than the bible, and correct your view by the Society's interpretation of the scripture.
  The paragraph further points out the Scriptures found in Proverbs 14:15 about putting faith in every word, and Proverbs 26:24,25 which speaks about the deceptive talker making his voice gracious. According to my experience, and that of many others, if you don't put the upmost faith in every word of the WTS, then you are spiritually weak, and need immediate counsel. And JW seem pretty "gracious" at the door, wouldn't you agree?

  Paragraph 5 quotes the scriptures found in 1 John 4:1 that exhorts us to test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate from God. I brought that to the attention of an elder once, and I had the scriptures about not testing God thrown in my face!

  Unfounded Doubts-

  Paragraph 6 quote:
  "Yes, an honest, humble examination of the facts to establish the truth is often called for." Who are they to judge what is honest and humble?! "This, however, is not the same as allowing doubts to develop in out mind and hearts-doubts that can wreck our firmly established beliefs and relationships." (Doubts that can blow their cover, and wreck our firmly established membership in the borg?) "This doubt is defined as an "uncertainty of belief or opinion that often interferes with decision-making." (And Webster's gives specifics on doubt classification? I DON'T THINK SO!) The paragraph then tells the story of Eve, when Satan put doubt in her head about God's absolute power.

  Paragraph 7 talks about James' exhortation to keep on asking in faith, not doubting at all; and then goes on to warn that when we start to develop an uncertainty of belief, that we leave ourself vunerable to demonic teachings.
  (Doubting the WTS, leaves us open to the REAL TRUTH!)

  Maintaing Good Spiritual Health-

  Paragraph 9 gives a quote from a doctor about how the bod reacts when starved of food, and tries to tie this in with Matthew 4:4, "Man must live not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth from Jehovah's mouth." I don't recall it being written in the bible that in 2,000 years Jehovah was writing a monthly bible guide called the Watchtower. Did you? Didn't think so.

  Paragraph 10 quote:
  "How did we build faith in the first place? "Faith follows the thing heard," writes the Apostle Paul. (Romans 10:17) He means that we initially built our faith and confidence in Jehovah, his promises, and his organization by feeding on God's Word." Now you tell me...where in the world did Paul ever mention building faith in the WTS? Paul always mentioned the Christian congregation, not an organization or religion, OR THE WTS!!!! Looks like the Society is guilty of adding to the scriptures, something forbidden in Revelation 21, which makes it quite clear that they are not God's ordained people. The paragraph goes on, citing the example of the Beroeans. What they fail to leave out is that the student has to examine the scriptures under the supervision of another witness, using their publications as a “guide”, and any understanding of the scriptures that differs from what the WTS says, are immediately “readjusted”.

  Aviod Spiritual Starvation-

  Paragraph 11 quote:
  “Now the challenge is to maintain our faith…” (in false beliefs)…”and to avoid any uncertainty of belief…”(ideas other than what the WTS says)”…that can weaken our confidence in Jehovah and his organization. The Apostle Paul warns that some…will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.” It seems that the Societ keeps mixing up the usages of faith. Faith means belief. Faith can mean religion, depending on the context of the paragraph. But they just keep throwing the two together.

  Paragraph 14 quote:
  “Likely, they neglected personal study, and became spiritually weak.” Where does it mention a big Watchtower Study on Sunday? If it’s personal why do JW’s have to tell elders what kind of study they do when they get a sheparding call?

  Paragraph 16 quote:
  “Hence, keep up your personal study. Fight doubts vigorously.” Why such urgency with that statement? Because the Watchtower Society is beginning to see that mass numbers of people are becoming un-brainwashed and are realizing the truth behind their organization. Further down in the paragraph, it gives examples of doubtful questions…”Are we really living in the last days? Can you believe everything the bible says? Is this really Jehovah’s organization?” Notice how they carefully slide that last question in there.

  Paragraph 19 is the final paragraph, and this one packs a really whollop of guilt. “Take the danger of doubts seriously. Satan engages in what might be called spiritual bacteriologic warfare. If you neglect to take in good spiritual food through personal study of the Bible and through attendance at Christian meetings, you lay yourself wide open for attacks…..Make good use of the generous and timely supply of spiritual food provided by the faithful and discreet slave.”

  When Paul wrote Hebrews 10:24, 25..I don’t think he mentioned meetings at the kingdom Hall 3 times a week. He said “Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together…” I believe he was talking about a general gathering of the Christian congregation. But please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken. And where are we told get our spiritual food from another source besides the bible?

  I hope my dissection of this article will be useful to you all in witnessing to other witnesses.

  My Deepest Regards,
  Joanne
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  latest WT thoughts for the day

  by truman in

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  the august 1 wt arrived in my mailbox today.

  i eagerly ripped off the wrapper in anticipation of fresh spiritual gems.

  i was not disappointed.

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  AngelofMuZiC

  I did the same as you, recieved it today, and ripped off the cover, in total anticipation of the contents. I noticed all of the same things you did. But something is a little different. It seems to me that the BORG is feeling the heat on their backs. They seem a little scared that they are being found out. Or maybe they have read some things from this website, haha.
  Joanne