given that so many practises associated with christmas are blatantly christian in origin, is christmas truly for atheists?
i know that often there are few christian connotations attributed to it nowadays, in such a secularised society, but history is on record in showing that the whole baby jesus thing and angels singing with their "peace and goodwill" stuff is definitely a christian element.
would any true atheist today want to drink such a mixed cup?
LT, are you writing a book on who should celebrate Christmas??? IMO, it's for anyone who wants to celebrate it! People are attracted to Christmas because it looks like a fun thing to do. And of course because Americans make such a big deal out of it. In all honesty, I think the lights attract people...just like they do deer.
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to the tune of rudolph the red-nosed reindeer (with apologies to robert may and johnny marks).
russell was stupid.. rutherford was blitzin'.. some gb members,.
thought young boys were vixens.. but do you recall.... the most whacked-out j-dub of all?.
You guys are too funny!!! LOL!
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if the big news is legit, someone will file suit and win.. if it is the big snooze one of the above will not happen.
nothing we do or say here will bear on the outcome of the above.
if you think it is the big news, by all means promote it as such.
If you think it is the Big News, by all means promote it as such.
If you think it is the Big Snooze, then don't. If you think all the Big News promoters are morons, why is it any skin off yours if they promote this?
Wow!!! I can't believe you just said that!
We don't have to believe that the Big News promoters are morons, to think that it's not Big News. However, we have every right to post our viewpoints as they have to post theirs. I, for one, am hoping to get people to see the other side of the coin and how it may look to others, to keep us all from looking like morons!!! But unless I get kicked off of this site for not following the rules, then I have a right to my opinion and the right to express it as much as anyone else on this board.
Thank you very much,
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is it possible that this "big news" could actually create a division amongst active apostates who are fighting to disrupt the wts?.
it seems that there are two factions regarding the "big news": one is jumping for joy, ready to spread the news far and wide, hoping for lawsuits; the other has poo-pooed the whole thing as overblown nothingness.
for the most part up til now, it's been us(ex-jws) vs them(the wts).
LL...I don't think there is anyone here on this board, besides defd, that think the WTS hasn't told thousands of lies...I just don't see why people think this is any different!!! They had an opportunity to get the JW's out of Germany, but they encouraged them to stay and trust in Jehovah...think about the thousands that died over that. All they would have had to have done is spend a litte $$$ and they could have saved them all. Same in Africa...but they are not going to and never have spent a dime to save fellow JW's. Think of what they those in Malawi endured and had they spent a few $$$ they could have saved most of them too. It's all been LIES and they have just put their spin on it!!!
I often wondered when my sons were small and if they had to face the issue of blood transfusion, would I have let them die? Holding my sick baby in my arms, knowing that he needed a life saving blood transfusion...I probably would have believed God would forgive me for my sins...that's what the ransom sacrifice was all about anyway wasn't it? When you think about it, it's the dr or nurse that puts that needle in. I never had to face that particular situation.
When my husband was in several life of death situations(hemoglobin 3) regarding blood, I always asked him PRIVATELY what he wanted to do and told him that I would stand by his decision. His choice was that he would not take blood. He didn't base this on anything medically, but only on what he believed the Bible stated. At one time I would have done the same, for the same reasons...not because of misinformation the WTS put out. Even now, depending on the situation, I want the right to choose whether to take blood or not. If I am going to be paralyzed for the rest of my life and have brain problems, don't transfuse me to prolong my life...I'd like to see if there is a better place anyway.
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P.S My husband died due to several different health problems, but refused blood to prolong his life. He was very sick and had he lived the prognosis wasn't good. At the end, he told me there were worse things in life than dying...
hi wt monitors!
i think you've noticed you'll be experiencing some ugly times in the near future.
soooo, with about 40 pages of exposure of your lies and misrepresentations in a law journal read by experts all over the globe, with an internet-based dissemination work force that will spread the news to tens of thousands of other people, how long will you leave the how can blood save your life brochure on watchtower.org?.
Neo...have you researched the blood booklet for yourself and looked up all the quotes? When you have these.....before, during, or after a quote, doesn't that mean there is more information in the statement? It seems as if the index lists all their sources. I will have to go dig out my brochure and go to the library, unless someone here has the time to disseminate all the info accurately.
Also, I'm intrigued as to what the essay means in saying that this has to apply across the board (not just to this particular religion). The news media purposefully does this all the time, to present their point of view. Would this apply to them as well? If so, don't you think an attorney would have to think twice about going up against not only the WTS, but the entire media organization? (If they do, I would say not to expect a verdict for the next 100 years, and by then all the defendants will be dead.)
I haven't looked into this enough, but apparently President Bush is now claiming responsibility for the war in Iraq. Is he also claiming responsibility for the misrepresentation that he presented to the American people as well as the world? This war has cost thousands of lives because he misrepresented the facts and took the information out of context. Does America have enough money to pay compensation to all those family members who lost loved ones? (IMO we need to get ready to become a 3rd world country or no country at all!)
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do some of you expect?!?!.
i am extremely disappointed to read some people's comments about the latest news.
it is one thing to express and opinion, perhaps that you think it isn't as big as you imagined (one wonders what you imagined) but it is another to be downright insulting to people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.. get real.
As JW's we listened intently to "mother" for any small slice of "new light".....how pathetic is it that some still hold to now hearing any shread of anything about "new apostate light" like attention starved 8 year olds? I guess you can't take the Kingdumb Hall out of some Ex-JW's, thus proving my thread from a couple of days ago. Their new religion is Anti-Jehovah Witness'ism.
I am starting to feel like this again:
. REM LYRICS "Losing My Religion"
Life is bigger
It's bigger than you
And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to
The distance in your eyes
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up
That's me in the corner
That's me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
Every whisper
Of every waking hour I'm
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no I've said too much
I set it up
Consider this
The hint of the century
Consider this
The slip that brought me
To my knees failed
What if all these fantasies
Come flailing around
Now I've said too much
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
But that was just a dream
That was just a dream
Sam. I don't think it's a matter of Barbara wanting attention. It's just that we all handle "news" differently. She probably already regrets hyping it up like that... but let's just forget about that.
DanielP...Let's just don't forget about it!!!!!! NO ONE IN HER POSITION SHOULD BE PUTTING OUT ATTENTION GRABBING HEADLINES LIKE THAT and then not put out the goods! Her reputation has lost a few notches here and it will be interesting to see how she does damage control. I hope her book has facts backed up by reputable sources...
Sam I am sorry for the idiots who sent you those pm's. I apologize for their ignorance... even if they don't.
I said I wasn't going to post again today...I'm off!
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i sent my birthday document (http://thebentinel.com/jw-birthdays.html) to a poster here that is at the very least a jw-sympathizer, if not a full-blown jw.
the response i got back indicated that my reasoning on it was seriously flawed and essentially any idiot with a passing knowledge of scripture and history can tell that birthdays are not something christians should celebrate.. of course, if you're not a bible-believer or a god-believer, you couldn't care less about pagan origins and all that.
but let's keep this conversation on the 'appropriate for christians' vein.
LT---LMAO!!!!!!! Thankyou for the laughs in regards to your above posts! I really needed it today with all the insanity that is going around on this board lately!
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P.S. I think a lot of posters are in need of your mental heath expertise, seriously!
Legolas...thanks for putting up this thread...wonder why no one is answering? It really makes me kind of ill...I haven't felt that way before in all the time I've been posting or lurking here (which has been quite a while). Enigma stated (on his thread) that he is taking a break for a few days, and I concur...Unbelievable!!!
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This was exactly what I was going to ask!!! Is this woman going to finance the millions it will take to get this to court based on her "essay?" We've already had one attorney's view on the matter and he gave all the reasons why this will NOT turn into a class action lawsuit. He even states that tort of misinformation can't be used in the Blood issue matter. I'm sure that a lot of attorneys will weigh in on this matter in the journal in which she posted this essay. It is an ESSAY...it is not law and it has a long way to go to even be validated that it could stand up in a court of law. This should have been in a thread under "read this"...I can't help but feel that most are going to look like crazy apostates pursuing this at this point! Let the legal system wrangle with this for a while before jumping on the bandwagon...(make sure it is legitimate first)
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