another poster alluded to a reality within bethel's walls - factions.. of course, open disputes are impossible within this secretive cult - so such disagreements are more discreet.. the watchtower allows for college - but the service dept ( i.e.
ted jaracz) sez forget about it.. this is nothing new, the same thing happened with regard to the society's reaction to "multiple personality disorders".
the writing dept.
Nothing the magazines- or the Bible - says has any meaning when confronted within the oral law emitted by the underlings serving
"the Boss". All this 'feel good' stuff in Study articles is vapor compared with whatever the C.O./D.O./ Service Dept.
decrees.
You have made a good distinction here. That is exactly the way it is. I have seen where so many JW's who hold a position of authority are the ones who have a tendency to trickle the skinny down as to how the GB really sees things.
Corvin
our daughter is seven years old and the other day i heard her say to our 12 year old son.. "takes one to know one!
" and then she stuck her little tounge out at him lol!
its so funny to hear kids say things that i used to say when i was little.
Ha ha Valis, "slug-bug!" We drove all the way to and from Dallas with the kids playing that damn game.
This next phrased from my childhood must be a San Diego thing, cuz I can't find anyone anywhere else who use to use it:
When you would get one up on another kid, you would say "moded!" and sometimes "moded in your eye!"
for what it's worth, i never did.
i just never really believed in '75 or any other time.....signed, faithless minimus
Count me among the creat crowd of terrified JW kids who thought he would be picking fruit and petting tigers long before he saw adulthood.
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OMG how funny! I just shared the giggling baby with my wife and one of my daughters and they loved it, but it really freaked the cat out LMAO! The cat thought it was me making that sound and she kept trying to swat at me to make me shut up.
this is an update regarding my 17 yo who was dating an unbaptized publisher, carl,18.
when he first began dating her i sat them both down and made sure carl understood that he was visiting the home of a df?d brother who also be considered by the society to be an apostate.
i gave him this direct info not wanting to encroach upon his conscience incase he was maintaining a good one, and incase he was looking to make progress in the jw congregation.
BTW, its not too late for a call to the local police. They might not charge him, but just having cops come sniffing around his home and answer questions about statutory rape might be a good idea.
I am saving that option in the event that this thing really isn't over. Now that my ex-wolf . . . er um, wife, is involved, I can totally see her trying to facilitate them dating again, reasoning that the two of them might be just the right bait for each other for getting sucked deeper into the organization. Mom just wants her little girl to be as spiritual and as happy as she is ::pukes::
I will kick the shyte out the little bastard if he tries to get next to her again; count on it.
Corvin
this is an update regarding my 17 yo who was dating an unbaptized publisher, carl,18.
when he first began dating her i sat them both down and made sure carl understood that he was visiting the home of a df?d brother who also be considered by the society to be an apostate.
i gave him this direct info not wanting to encroach upon his conscience incase he was maintaining a good one, and incase he was looking to make progress in the jw congregation.
I just cannot believe what Carl and his mom did to you and your family. And I cannot believe your ex-wife!!!! My GOD! Isn't she her daughter we are talking about, and she (your ex) still wants to protect that perbert rather than protecting her own daughter?
Carl and his mom really didn't do anything I wasn't prepared for. It is the only way they know (a way I know all too well) and the real damage would have occurred had they have had more of an opening to get in. Carl isn't really a pervert, LOL, but just a very typical horny 18 year old boy who was simply manipulating the rules to get laid. On top of it, he happens to be a smart-ass little mamma's boy. As for my ex-wife, she too acted predictably. I have come to realize that all they can do is try, and as long as you are aware and ready, they really can't do shyte since they have no real power because of their limiting beliefs. They simply can't think that far outside of the box.
Thanks to all for your comments and support.
Corvin
any johnny cash fans here?
if not, shame on the forum!
the late, great johnny cash was born and raised in arkansas, and by the time he was a mere 12 years of age, he was already writing his own songs.
Schizm, I come from 3 generations of authentic country and bluegrass musicians. All self-taught, and all extremely talented. What the hell happened to me??? LOL. But, Johnny Cash albums and 45's abounded in my home while growing up. I play guitar and sing and perform in live Legends-style productions as Bobby Darin & Elvis Presley, while my dad does Johnny Cash and a couple others. I also work in clubs as a DJ, and I was astounded at how many Pearl Jam college students come in and request Johnny.
on thursday i did quit my jw studies...now for a problem i had not thought of.
many people in the kh have been asking my husband to do odd jobs around their homes.
he has been doing this for a month for maybe a bit longer.
Yes, supermommy, you must be resolute and absolute. They will not stop until you make it firm. They will keep coming and coming and coming as long as they think they have an opening. It sounds like your husband is a nice guy and they see an opening to get in through him. It is also your husband who must tell them to stop since it is he they are targeting now.
My middle daughter, Nancy, age 15, was studying with an older sister, Carol. Nancy came to me and said that she no longer wanted to continue the study and wanted to tell Carol at the next study. I said, "OK, what has brought you to this point?" She told me it creeped her out how that Caral at the last study, kept overstating how important it was for her to stay close to the organization, over and over again. The over-emphasis made her suspicious and leary and many of the things I had told her started to make sense. The only reason why Carol did not continue to pressure Nancy is because I kept showing my face, and Carol will not try to go through me because I now have a reputation of getting in JW faces and getting my point across.
Be firm, and direct. If they start asking you questions, take control of the situation by asking all the questions . He/she who asks the questions has control of the conversation . What do I mean by this? If they ask you a question, simply pick your topic and shoot a question right back at them: What is the Wild Beast? How are we to view the Wild Beast according to the WT? What about the UN membership thing? What can you tell me about that? How does the GB rationalize this? You will have them running before you know it, but keep control of the situation by asking all the questions . . . it's an old salesman's trick and it works. To be forewarned is to be forearmed, so share this with your hubby too.
Good luck to you both and keep us posted as to what is going on.
Corvin
it's been a while since i've posted here.
hope you all remember me!
in the final months before i left the organization, in the days before i consciously could accept that it was not the truth - indeed, before i could even entertain such a notion on the conscious level - my subconscious knew the truth, and it took to sending me ever stronger messages.
I noticed that I instantly imagined the critical, scornful voices of a thousand Witnesses I've known from various places and times, homogenized into a single unthinking jeer. And instantly, I had the tight, sore throat.
Yes, I get that all the time and I hate it. I have to consciously tell my brain that what I just saw or heard was not evil. LOL, it is so funny sometimes, but I really do hate that conditioning we get from birth being raised a JW.
when you feel low, or someone on line said unkind and untrue things about you ... or you are stressed and taking life too seriously ... maybe an irritating conservative is being overly righteous, or a liberal is pontificating the cure or all humankind's problems ... then click on this, wiggle your mouse ... and have a good laugh ... it puts things in perspective.
you must have your sound on: http://www.revelate-rock.com/elasticbaby.html.
amazing
Cute. My kids will get a kick out of it. Thanks!
