Posts by Corvin

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MS WILDFIRE NEEDS SOME LOVE AND CONCERN ,,,,,,,PLEASE

by wildfire in

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i really can understand the meaning of hate now........ i truley hate what the cult of the watchtower has done to me and my family.... my son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at the age of 20,,,,(his uncle on his dads side also had the disease around that time ))) as some of you know he ended up in jail and a prison term because of things he did while in his schizophrenic state....all the while he was disassociated from the witnesses ,,,so he received no help from the loving elder body ( of vipers)....even when he was in jail,, an elder came to study with the lost ones... and because he knew of my sons situation would not allow him to comment at the prison study.....

but he goes faithfully and sits by himself in his tattered clothes in the back....as we all know the drill....some how he gets back in.... i am devastated..as i have 3 children who never will go back because of their sadistic ,, annointed father and stepfather......who molested his own daughter.....( another horrible story)l its hard for me to write ,,, i hope you will put up with me ,, those of you who know me and even those who dont...this is my therapy... i must write it out....well as it goes he is not welcomed back.. its all for show,,,he cant stop smoking....and so he goes off his meds and is living in the streets...with no help or support from the brothers ,,,a term i use very loosely....he missed the district convention,, because no one could find him and then ......they find him to corner him like a rat (knowing fullwell of his mental condition ) and they disfellowship him......the anger and rage that i feel...is uncontrollable at times......i hate ,, i hate ,,,, i hate so much of what they did to me and sooo many other ss ......forgive me ....this freaking cult needs to be destroyed... once and for all,,, and i will not rest until i rescue my last child from its grip.......( i have one daughter whos 18 that is still in)))) i am cryingso hard now its hard to type,,thank you for hearing my story,,, its just a very small part of what me and my family have been thru ...thanks for listening and peace to you my dear friends...

Corvin

((((((WILDFIRE)))))))) I am speechless.

I feel your anger and heartbreak. That is all I can say.

My Best,

Corvin

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I CONFRONTED THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION TODAY

by Corvin in

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today, i was on the scene of the local congregation of jw's where my ex-wife and her husband attend.

physical, emotional and mental abuse has been purpetrated upon my kids for eight years now.

they have been victims of alcoholism, verbal bashings and they have been made to watch their stepfather beat the hell out of their mother and then be halled off to jail without saying a word to anyone for fear fo reprisal from him and their mother.

Corvin

Today, I was on the scene of the local congregation of JW's where my ex-wife and her husband attend. Physical, emotional and mental abuse has been purpetrated upon my kids for eight years now. They have been victims of alcoholism, verbal bashings and they have been made to watch their stepfather beat the hell out of their mother and then be halled off to jail without saying a word to anyone for fear fo reprisal from him and their mother. The elders knew it was going on to the point at which one of my children attempted suicide. They still did NOTHING to intervene. They refuse to talk to me, to answer my letters of protest and concern. They refuse to act responsibly and so I have not other alternative but to do what I did.

Today, I stood infront of the kingdom hall accompanied by my youngest daughter, Betsy, her friend Samantha, Samantha's mother and twin sisters. (Samantha's mom left the org when she was 18 and never looked back) We carried bold picket signs and exposed the lies and abuse that have for too long been covered up by my children's mom and step-dad and the body of elders. I have video of the congregation member's smug arrogant reactions to our presence until I asked them if JW thought child abuse was funny. I have video of my confrontation of one elder over the abuse cover-up. I also have video of my ex-wife and her husband pulling up to the Kingdom Hall, seeing me, Betsy and the other's with our signs held way up high, then driving away like cowards and never returning to face the congregation. I asked some JW's I knew, who know me and my kids and ex-wife and her husband, if they knew about the abuse. They either ignored me or laughed like arrogant fools. Again, I ask them if child abuse is a funny matter. Only one sister shook her head respectfully when I asked her if she knew about the abuse; she was sincere. They all kept looking at the signs which told of the child abuse and lies. The younger ones gawked at Betsy in disbelief that someone they knew intimately would be out there taking a stand against the lies and deceptions. I was so proud of her. She asked to come along, she made her own sign which read, "JW LIES DESTROYED MY FAMILY".

Now Sara and Mark (JW mom and stepdad) are threatening the girls with shunning and abandonment for not "believing" like they "believe". Mark began attacking my daughters verbally last Friday and they stood their ground and defended the real truth and themselves against his lies and intimidation tactics. He tried to use his own daughter, Tera, as an example by telling my girls, "See, look at Tera. She goes to the meetings and has lots of good friends who love her, blah blah blah . . . " Tera spoke up and said, "No, that's not true, Dad. Nobody in the congregation likes me or associates with me. They don't want to have anything to do with me . . . " That set Mark off for he was now humiliated by his own daughter and his little JW scam was exposed. LOL. Ultimately, he kept picking at my girls until they got upset and started crying. Betsy finally told him to "shut the hell up" and Nancy turned to her mother who had just told her to respect Mark and keep quiet that she was getting "the f#ck out" of there. They called me and Mary and I went to pick them up. Mark hid in his back yard. I called him out. He only stayed in the back yard mumbling incoherent things at me. I then began yelling LOUDLY so all the neighbors could hear me. "MARK M[edit]! YOU ARE ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND YOU LIKE TO PICK ON AND ABUSE YOUNG GIRLS! I AM THEIR FATHER AND I AM STANDING HERE AND YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FAT ABUSIVE ASS OUT HERE AND DEAL WITH ME! AREN'T YOU SUPPOSE TO BE A CHRISTIAN? COME OUT HERE AND PICK ON ME!" He would not come, just more mumbling. I yelled to him that I would see him at the Kingdom Hall on Sunday. My ex-wife told me I had a demon as I was walking away.

The following is a letter I just composed and will be dropping off at the Kingdom Hall tomorrow. It is forceful and direct and there is no room for misunderstanding. The paragraph concerning my ex-wife's actions tonight motivated me to write this letter. She is appalling, heartless and evil, and I am going back to court to petition the judge to modify her visitation with kids so that all visitation is supervised. In retaliation for my little lawful demonstration, Sara called the police and made false accusations of abuse to the police. They came to my home . . . the letter tells the rest . . .

August 29, 2004
TO THE ELDERS OF THE VALLEY CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH?S WITNESSES
I am formally notifying you, once again, that my children are the victims of child abuse at the hands of their mother, Sara M[edit], and their stepfather, Mark M[edit], both members of your congregation in good standing. The abuse has been going on for at least eight years, most of which you already knew about, and did nothing as responsible "shepherds of the flock". You should already have legal documentation as to my assertions as I personally delivered said documentation to JD J[edit] at the Kingdom Hall a few months ago. So don?t pretend these are the "lies and half-truths" of a bitter apostate. If you pretend these things are not so, you are also calling my children, an official court appointed judge, a family law court mediator and all of CPS liars.
Remember that when Nancy told JD J[edit] that she wanted to go and live with her dad to escape the abuse, JD told her that it was not a good idea. When Nancy asked why, JD told her that it would put her in "spiritual danger". I ask you, were they not already in spiritual danger at the hands of abusive, hypocritical parents? And I ask you, how would living with me put them in spiritual danger? Because I am disfellowshipped? You are twisted if you believe that.
The abuse continues. What abuse? Upon each visitation, both parents are persistent with coercive tactics and threats of shunning and death, that is, emotional and physical abandonment of them and death by God at Armageddon for not agreeing with their/your Scriptural viewpoints. Where is the love in this attitude? These are young teenagers who need both mother and father, and their mother, a representative of the same organization you serve, constantly pelts them verbally, emotionally and even spiritually to manipulate them and break their spirit. The only persecution my children or I have ever received has been at the hands and mouths of Jehovah?s Witnesses, not "worldly people" as you call them. Mark and Sara M[edit] are liars and slanderers, and you do not act and protect innocent people from such wickedness. The children are still going through professional counseling and they are still recovering from over eight years of this kind of abuse, and it must stop! It must stop now! The hypocrites will not stop harassing the children and they will not stop their false accusations toward me, my character and my love for my children. They are so very guilty of slandering me and my name (to you, the congregation of JW?s and even my kids!) to cover up their hypocrisy, but that is not the main issue. The issue is my children and their welfare. The issue is that they are liars and messing with the heads of innocent children. Where did they learn to act so unchristian? Where did they learn to behave to loveless and coldhearted toward their own children?
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IS ALSO THE TRUTH, JUST LIKE MY OTHER STATEMENTS . . . YOU DO RECOGNIZE "THE TRUTH" WHEN YOU HEAR IT, DON?T YOU?
Tonight, Sara fabricated false accusations of abuse by me toward my children to the police. The police came to my home and while my children were sleeping safely and soundly, they made me rouse my daughter from slumber to check that she was safe. My daughter was upset and confused and feared the worse. The two police officers that came to my home apologized profusely for they have also dealt with Mark and Sara on other occasions and have seen first hand the effects of the abuse on my children. One of the officers once told me on another occasion (the time when Nancy beat the crap out of Mark in retaliation for his abuse and threats to harm me) that I as their father, I needed to obtain custody of them before more damage is done to them. He advised me what to do, I did it, so now

you tell me that Jehovah of Armies is not on the side of my children. The officer that accompanied him to my home this evening was the same policeman that recently arrested Mark for being drunk and verbally abusive to him. That is public record too. Get off your fat, arrogant arses and investigate some real sin, why don?t you? Or, are you too backed up with fornication cases to bother with this one?

I believe you

are evil and wicked, although you have pronounced me to be so. You are the wicked and evil slave for doing nothing about the suffering of innocent children in your congregation when it was within your moral, scriptural and legal ability to do so. You let it go until one of my children, Elese, attempted suicide to escape the harsh abuse. The other two, Nancy and Elizabeth still often have suicidal thoughts and we are fighting like hell to keep them stable while you and your organization, through Sara and Mark, continually sabotage the efforts of competent professionals seeking to make them well. What kind of men are you? What kind of shepherds are you? How is it that the rules, policies and edicts passed down to you from the Governing Body of Jehovah?s Witnesses should supercede the clear and plain principles of Godly compassion and mercy as outlined in the Scriptures? (Not to mention normal human feeling and common sense)

Here is my promise to you. Do your job. Thoroughly investigate this matter and get to the bottom of it and take proper action with regard to the sins and crimes committed against my children in the name of the organization you serve and in the name of the god whose name you take for yourselves. Call in witnesses to the crime (there are "two or more" by the way), let them speak and uncover the ugly secrets of alcoholism, violence, abuse, anger, wrath, lack of self-control, lying and hatred . . . and bring it out into the open as you are called to do by God himself! I will then stop my passionate campaign (in front of your congregation) to expose the lies, deceptions and cover-ups of your religious cult. I am printing up leaflets with documentation and resources for all those to investigate, of their own free will, resources with web addresses and names of books written by a certain former Governing Body member.

If Mark or Sara M[edit] were going around expressing doubts and/or disbelief about any particular WT doctrine, you are commanded by the GB to label them "apostate" and disfellowship them. Just for expressing disbelief in a Scriptural viewpoint, you would cast them out and shun them. No? The following letter from the GB to you says you must, and it says in part:

"WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC

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117 ADAMS STREET, BOOKLYN, NEW YORK 11201, U.S.A. PHONE (212) 625-1240

SCG:SSF September 1, 1980

TO ALL CIRCUIT AND DISTRICT OVERSEERS

Dear Brothers:

We know that you and your wives benefited greatly from the "Divine Love" District Conventions. They impressively brought to our attention why love is the most beneficial quality that we can develop. (1 Cor. 13:13) Love enables us to remain united in spite of the limitations and shortcomings we manifest. ?Col. 3:12-14.

You can be sure that by your loving example, the brothers you serve will be uplifted and strengthened in the faith. We have received a number of letters informing us of the love you brothers and your wives have displayed. One body of elders wrote concerning their circuit overseer "(He) is truly devoted to do Jehovah's will . . . being of spiritual assistance to all . . . approachable in discussing any matter. (He) has a listening ear, showing empathy for the brothers. Such brothers we can rely upon when future problems we know will come, set in."

You can be confident that the brothers treasure your friendship, association and love when you "genuinely care for the things pertaining to them." (Phil. 2:19-23,29) Therefore, continue exerting yourselves to deal lovingly with them. Never pressure them or scold them. Lead them, work hard with them, exhort them in accord with their needs. Be patient if their progress appears slow. Such loving, patient treatment will refresh the brothers.--Matt. 11:28-30.

PROTECTING THE FLOCK

A major responsibility of an overseer as he 'shepherds the flock of God in his care" is to protect it from dangers. (Acts 20:28) Acts 20:29,30 indicates that one of those dangers can be men who apostatize. There is a fine study of this subject in the August 1, 1980, Watchtower. All of you want to get thoroughly familiar with the contents of the study articles. Encourage all of the elders and ministerial servants, especially, to do likewise. Include key points in your "Continue in the Things You Have Learned" program.

Help the elders discern between one who is a trouble-making apostate and a Christian who becomes weak in faith and has doubts. (2 Peter 2; Jude 22, 23) The former one should be dealt with decisively after extended efforts put forth to readjust him. (2 John 7-10) On the other hand, one weak should be patiently and lovingly assisted to get the accurate knowledge solidify his faith.

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Keep in mind that to be disfellowshiped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views. As mentioned in paragraph two, page 17 of the August 1, 1980, Watchtower, "The word 'apostasy' comes from a Greek term that means 'a standing away from,' 'a falling away, defection,' 'rebellion, abandonment. Therefore, if a baptized Christian abandons the teachings of Jehovah, as presented by the faithful and discreet slave, and persists in believing other doctrine despite Scriptural reproof, then he is apostatizing. Extended, kindly efforts should be put forth to readjust his thinking. However, if, after such extended efforts have been put forth to readjust his thinking, he continues to believe the apostate ideas and rejects what he has been provided through the 'slave class, then appropriate judicial action should be taken.

This is not to say that you or the elders should go on 'witch hunts,' as it were, inquiring into the personal beliefs of your brothers. Rather, if something reasonably substantial comes to the attention of the elders along this line, it would be appropriate to make a kindly, discreet inquiry so as to protect the flock. We cannot overemphasize the need to be cautious, discreet and kindly as such situations are dealt with.?James 1:19, 20. . . . "

This is WT policy. You would put an innocent man out of the organization for suspected apostasy, but you allow child abusers to remain and go unpunished. The scales of justice are not balanced with you, are they? Ever think about that? Do you ever think about "protecting the flock" from violent and hateful, slanderous abusers of children? Did you ever consider that perpetual and consistent child abuse is evidence that one does not really "believe" WT and/or Bible doctrine? "By their fruits"; open your eyes, jack-asses.

I conducted a lawful protest today in front of your congregation to expose what you, Mark and Sara have been covering over. This is only the beginning .

I will keep coming back every week with picket signs and literature to expose every lie ever told about me, my children, God and the Bible by you, Mark and Sara M[edit] and the man-made organization you serve. I will get the truth about "The Truth" out to every single JW in your congregation, and I will keep hammering until you either do what God has commanded you as shepherds of the flock or until you look out across the room from your podium and see scant few believers seated before you to take in a "fine spiritual meal" of garbage and lies prepared by the self-proclaimed "faithful and discreet slave". You are messing with my children and YOU DON?T MESS WITH MY CHILDREN! How?s that for a prophecy? Unlike WT prophecy, mine will come true . This will continue every single week until you do your part to end the abuse of my children, and then notify me personally about what action you have taken.

Do you think I am bluffing? Forward this letter to the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society and ask what they advise.

Sincerely,

Corvin

I will get the video edited and on the web asap.

Corvin

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I MADE A SCENE AT THE KINGDOM HALL REMODEL TODAY

by Corvin in

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the set up

it was getting close to noon and elese decided to give her mother a call to let her know she was ready to be picked up.

sara said she had to stop by the kingdom hall to drop off some ice for the brothers doing the remodeling.

Corvin

bttt . . .

Since I first posted this topic, there has been another incident involving my kids' mother and stepfather. They went for their scheduled weekend visit last Friday. Within a couple of hours, we received a call from Nancy, the middle child, 15 years old. She was in tears because her stepfather had attacked her verbally and began his sick mind games on her about the organization, Jehovah, and the "path of wisdom". He told her that she was a bad influence on his daughter and she should not come over anymore. The shunning technique is implied here. Nancy was in tears all last night after we brought her back home and has been a wreck all day as well.

I told Nancy she should call her mother's bluff: OK, mom, you keep threatening to abandon me because I choose not to believe what you believe, so go ahead. Shun me. Do it! I am your daughter and Iove you and your religion is a piss-poor excuse for abandoning your own child. Is that what God requires of you? To shun and disown a 15 year old girl who can think for herself and does not allow men to control her mind?

This bullshit game is going to stop if I have to die settling it. That is my vowl, my promise to my children and to myself.

When I picked up Nancy from her mother and stepdad's house I wanted to know what had happened before we left. I was told the whole story and was so filled with indignation and disgust that I called the man out of his house. He was hiding like a coward in the back yard. I called him an abusive drunk, a coward and son of bitch so loud the neighbors all heard. I said, "get out here you stupid son-of-a-bitch. You like to pick on little girls, do you? Get your fat hypocritical ass out here and talk to me, a man, who will help you to understand some common sense things. You just can't pick on a young girl, not my daughter, and get away with it anymore. Come out here, Mr "path of wisdom", Mr. Jehovah's Witness-hypocrite and face me!" He just remained in the back yard mumbling stupid shit at me. I told him I would be seeing him at the Kindom Hall on Sunday and we would settle a few issues in front of the entire congregation . . . "you can run, you cowardly pig, but you can't hide!"

I have formed a small group of local ex-JW's who will be meeting in front of the Claydell Kingdom Hall in El Cajon, Ca. We will have large picket signs to expose the abuse. All those going into the KH will see the signs exposing the lies and abuse and it this is only the beginning. They keep fucking with my kids and they must stop or I will keep coming at them until they do.

Anyone in the San Diego area, if you would like to participate, you are welcome. I will be in front of the Claydell Kingdom Hall on Claydell St in El Cajon at 9:30 am. My kids will be joing me, of their own free will, with their own picket signs expressing themselves and there will be a video taping of the event.

Monday morning, I will be filing a petition with the local family court to reduce my ex's visitation with the kids. They should have supervised visitation where mom so she cannot heap all of her JW rhetoric on these young souls. When will these cockroaches learn?

Corvin

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What's that 70's hit that sounds like elvis but it's not?

by avishai in

it's driving me nuts.

the guy sounds like elvis, but it's not, the song was a hit, i believe in the early 70's.

dammit!!

Corvin

Sorry Avi, I got here too late, but it looks like you figured it out. I would have had a hard time with it too.

Can I toss another suggestion out here? Hubby just hollered in from the other room "Roddy McDowell"----and that was an English actor. I seem to recall the singer's name (that I was trying to think of) HAD sounded like another famous name. Could it be Rodney McDowell, or something close to that?

LOL, try RONNIE McDowell. And Talk about 7 degrees of seperation. The following freaks me out a bit.

When Elvis died, Ronnie, at the time was a sign painter and not long out of the Navy, wrote a song called The King Is Gone. The timing of the song, in the midst of the emotional loss so many felt with E's death, and the uncanny voice Ronnie possesses, the song became an instant hit and rocketed Ronnie McDowell from a joe-schmo sign painter to a country music star. Damn the luck, eh? He has also been the singing voice of Elvis for three major movies about the King and the short lived TV series, Elvis, the Early Years. He was Kurt Russell's singing voice in ELVIS, The Movie with Kurt playing the title role. Russell's father, Bing, played Elvis' dad and Season Hubly played Pricilla and later married Kurt. Bing Russell co-starred in Blue Hawaii, I think, as Elvis' character's dad and Kurt Russell's first feature film was It Happened At The World's Fair in which he played the little boy who Elvis pays 5 dollars to to kick him in the shin to get a girl's sympathy. Russell was awsome as Elvis and if you haven't seen his portrayal of Elvis, you should go rent the movie.

alt

The first concert my parents ever took me to was a Charlie Prided concert, at the San Diego Sports Arena, back in the early 70's. I was like, 5, and I loved Charlie Pride. The opening act was Sonny James.

Sitting next to me was a young Navy boy with some of his friends. The young handsome southern man talked to me with such kindness and enthusiasm, I never forgot him. I remember how he told me how great it was to see such a young boy at the concert who had a love for music, especially Charlie Pride. My mom and dad were proud that I was lavishing so much attention from those seated next to us. This young Navy man sand every song Charlie sang, as he sang it, word for word, note for note . . . I knew all the songs too and I sang along with him. I had a ball.

After the concert, he said goodbye and shook my little hand and I watched him as he walked away with his buddies.

Would you care to take a guess at who that young Navy man was? Yup, it was Ronnie McDowell.

He has been my role model and idle for quite sometime, and when I heard him sing The King Is Gone on the radio only a week or so after Elvis died, I was floored. I was in Buena Vista Georgia a few years ago and I caught his show. What a class act that man is! He met with me, I told him the story, he remembered better than I, even my name.

He is not Elvis, but his voice is the closest you will ever get.

Corvin

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Letter From WTBTS Evidence of Mind Control Tactics

by Corvin in

the following is taken from ray franz's book, crisis of conscience, pages 341-344. this letter, sent out to all traveling representatives, circuit overseers, by the service department of the international headquarters, shows the society's demand for comformity no matter the cost to the rank and file.

jw lurkers: please read carefully.

the portion of the letter in blue is of particular interest, and franz's comments nails the governing body's intent.. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Corvin

bttt . . .

I believe this letter to be one of the most telling and awful evidence of the WTBTS's intent to control every aspect of a JW's life, especially what they think and believe. Bttt because I think that all newbies should get a gander at its contents.

Corvin

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JWD's growth rate trounces that of the JWs

by seattleniceguy in

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check it out.

i signed up on december 15. i am member 11210. members signing up the middle of this month were in the mid 14400's.

that means in 8 months, we've had about 3200 additional people show up.

Corvin

How many posts does a member have to have in order to have "regular postoneer" status?

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JWD's growth rate trounces that of the JWs

by seattleniceguy in

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check it out.

i signed up on december 15. i am member 11210. members signing up the middle of this month were in the mid 14400's.

that means in 8 months, we've had about 3200 additional people show up.

Corvin

Who else would sign up?

Well, there are a lot of 18 year old Mormon Elders (that's funny, an 18 year old elder is only an elder to those 17 and under) who have a hard time throwin' down with the JW's while doing the door to door work. This board teaches them what to say to JW's.

Corvin

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Do you believe it is wrong to celebrate Halloween?

by anew in

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thought i would throw this out to the board.

i was raised a jw.

i now celebrate most holidays.

Corvin

I like your perspective Terry, and the big H has always been my favorite holiday because of the costumes and candy I had to watch all my friends at school chow down on in front of me.

This year, I am making costumes for all the kids and I am going to have a blast doing it. God can strike me dead for it, but I am doing it anyway. I have never once been able to dress up in a costume until lately and I love it.

Corvin

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The Friends?

by Farkel in

when i was a little dubbie we used the expression "the friends" to describe fellow dubbies.

we would say things like "she's one of the friends," or ask questions like "is he one of the friends?

is this terms still used in that fashion in dubland?

Corvin

Stinky pants' avitar is a good example of "friends".

Hey Simon, can I put a picture of two hot guys making out in my avitar???

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Red Bull And Getting On With It . . .

by Corvin in

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when i first wandered into this den of liars, deceivers and half-truthers, i did not know what to expect.

my experience is that you are all the most excellent folks i have ever cyber-met.

i have learned so much from being a member of this forum, from all of you, and i wish you a lot of success and happiness.

Corvin

LOL, craig, just when I thought I was done with those pesky retarded two-faced dubbers, they pop up and push me right back into the cradle of apostasy! Damn it!

Gee, it's warm here . . .