I always heard that it had more to do with the scriptures regarding "woe to the pregnant woman and the nursing mother in those days" than the desire to focus on serving Jehovah. The JWs I've spoken to about it seem truly concerned that, during the tribulation, things will be especially difficult for pregnant and nursing mothers, and they also don't want to subject children to the misery of the "last days."
I know a thirty-something JW couple who, although they've been married for over a decade, have not and do not plan to have kids in this system for those very reasons, even though they really do want kids. I just picture them in their golden years, still in this system, with no adult children to care for them in their advanced age and no little grandchildren to bring them joy. They're probably going to end up being that creepy childless couple that simply ADORES all their friends' and relatives' kids just a liiiiittle too much.
Too bad JWs are discouraged from pursuing higher education, since that often leads to better pay, and with a decent enough income, they could adopt. And just think about how perfect adoption would be for a JW. They wouldn't be bringing any new children into "the last days of this satanic system" but would be helping a child that already exists. They'd finally have a child to love and impose their religion on. I'm actually kind of surprised the Watchtower hasn't come to this conclusion yet. :p
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What if all JWs had put off having children?
by keyser soze incould the religion have survived?.
i know it was never forbidden, but i remember growing up, how we were encouraged to put it off until the new system, and instead focus on a career in the full time service.. can you imagine if every young jw had chosen to follow that counsel?
it's difficult to imagine the religion being sustainable without the next generation of born-ins..
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Blood is thicker than water??
by HereIgo ini remember a co saying from the platform, " people often say blood is thicker than water.
well not in jehovah's organization" i don't know about anyone else, but it sure rubbed me the wrong way and one of the million reasons why i left!.
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The saying "Blood is thicker than water" is often wrongly interpreted, and in fact, is being paraphrased here, which contributes to the misinterpretation. The full quote is "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb," meaning that bonds forged over a common cause - such as brothers in arms at war, or even a literal blood covenant - are stronger than any bond dictated by familial relations. Two people uniting in the face of adversity will naturally share a strong bond; two people being related to each other won't necessarily even like each other. -
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New, but needed to vent- thank you :-)
by Danni Jackson ini discovered your website this morning as i was trying to find some information about 'marking'.
you see a very close friend of mine was 'marked' earlier this week and as i know the ins and outs of the situation (as we are close friends) i disregarded the talk immediately as i know my friend is obviously having issues but is no way a 'danger' to anybody else's spiritual health.
basically they are dating a non-believer- hence the talk.
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I know a lady whose daughter has schizophrenia, dissociative identity disorder, and a few other things. I have met a couple of her personalities. She is a JW and, in her early thirties, is currently in her third marriage. The previous two ended in divorce on her part. No adultery, no abuse, nothing. And no, they didn't leave her due to her mental illnesses. She left them. She is very happy with her current husband, whom she has been with for several years now. Even some of her less loving personalities love him. This man is not a JW. And yet, despite all of this, she has never been disfellowshipped, shunned, brought before a judicial committee, or even marked.
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Final Rejection
by Disassociated Lady 2 ini have just returned from visiting friends and family.
when i was disassociated my parents had contact with me a few months before my dad was diagnosed with cancer.
i was reinstated 20 months after his funeral and then they disfellowshipped me 5 months later as they are convinced i had not changed my life enough to be a jw again.
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berrygerry That passage strictly refers to married men.
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Missing Thread: "Kingdom Cookies" and Worshiping a Rock From Bethel
by Nevuela inanyone know what happened to that thread?
i remember reading it a few weeks back, but now i can't find it with any of the search terms that i included in the title of this thread.
basically it was about jws viewing bethel as the holy land and objects from it as sacred, which included cafeteria cookies dubbed "kingdom cookies" and one brother showing off a piece of broken concrete from a construction site at bethel, to the oohs and ahhhs of his fellow r&f.. was that a thread of its own, or were some folks just talking about it in an unrelated thread?.
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darkspilver Thanks!
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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?
by LifesNotOver ini know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.
i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.
we currently are separated - i have left him.
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It seems like I've read a number of stories (maybe on this site, maybe on others - I don't know because I jump back and forth between numerous ex-JW sites) where a brother with an apostate wife is allowed to scripturally divorce her and remarry. Because they're an old boys' club, they don't hesitate to leave the door wide open for their fellow men to exit a less-than-ideal marriage, but God forbid if a woman's very life depends on escaping an abusive husband. :/
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Missing Thread: "Kingdom Cookies" and Worshiping a Rock From Bethel
by Nevuela inanyone know what happened to that thread?
i remember reading it a few weeks back, but now i can't find it with any of the search terms that i included in the title of this thread.
basically it was about jws viewing bethel as the holy land and objects from it as sacred, which included cafeteria cookies dubbed "kingdom cookies" and one brother showing off a piece of broken concrete from a construction site at bethel, to the oohs and ahhhs of his fellow r&f.. was that a thread of its own, or were some folks just talking about it in an unrelated thread?.
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Anyone know what happened to that thread? I remember reading it a few weeks back, but now I can't find it with any of the search terms that I included in the title of this thread.
Basically it was about JWs viewing Bethel as the holy land and objects from it as sacred, which included cafeteria cookies dubbed "kingdom cookies" and one brother showing off a piece of broken concrete from a construction site at Bethel, to the oohs and ahhhs of his fellow R&F.
Was that a thread of its own, or were some folks just talking about it in an unrelated thread?
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I found my wifes new blood card
by Steel ini would like to say i am not in and my wife is a marginal witness at best.
she doesn't say anything bad about the borg or live an amoral lifestyle.
she just doesn't read the bible, or even the tracts anymore and generally has no clue about anything biblical or doctorial related.. i found my wives new card yesterday.
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Here's something I've been curious about but afraid to ask my "anointed" roommate because I'm sick of listening to her back up her psychotic religion:
How does one get a blood card in the first place? Do the elders go around giving them out to everyone in the congregation? Or do they just ask random people if they have one, and if they don't, make sure to give them one ASAP? Or are you given one the day you get baptized? The latter seems unlikely because that would leave unbaptized children susceptible to receiving blood. I'm just wondering at what particular point, if any, a JW receives a blood card, and/or if it is simply pushed on them by the elders. -
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Elder asking for help
by untruth inthis is my first time posting on here so i’m not sure where to start.
i’m trying to keep it as short as possible since i could expand much more.
i’ve been in the process of waking up in the last year and a half.
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My question to the "we must obey" lot is this: what exact scripture in the Bible specifically states that we are to obey without question ANY human or organization? Not even the "faithful and discreet slave" is described in the Bible as someone/something we should obey. If anything, the FDS has an obligation to US to "provide spiritual food at the proper time."
Also, where does the Bible say it requires supplementary literature that would not be created until the 20th century to spoon-feed scriptural interpretations to us? And that that literature should be studied more than the actual Bible?
And the biggest question of all: if Judaism and Catholicism and Islam and every other "false" religion has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, why would Jehovah wait so long to guide his chosen sons to create the one true religion? Why would false religion be all that existed for the past 6,000 years, but "the truth" has only been present on earth for a little over a century? -
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The Anointed Class: Do They Have Spirits?
by Cold Steel ini realize that the anointed class inherits heaven while the great crowd inherits a renewed planet earth, but how and when are the anointed chosen?
are these people born with spirits or do they grow them as they live?
when they die, they don't sleep but go right to heaven, right?
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As one JW friend of mine said to someone who said they would get bored living forever:
"Well, you're bored sitting here right now, aren't you? Do you want to stop existing right this very moment just because you're bored?"I can't conceive of living forever either, but she had a good point.