Posts by Nevuela

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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?

by LifesNotOver in

i know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.

i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.

we currently are separated - i have left him.

Nevuela

It seems like I've read a number of stories (maybe on this site, maybe on others - I don't know because I jump back and forth between numerous ex-JW sites) where a brother with an apostate wife is allowed to scripturally divorce her and remarry. Because they're an old boys' club, they don't hesitate to leave the door wide open for their fellow men to exit a less-than-ideal marriage, but God forbid if a woman's very life depends on escaping an abusive husband. :/

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Missing Thread: "Kingdom Cookies" and Worshiping a Rock From Bethel

by Nevuela in

anyone know what happened to that thread?

i remember reading it a few weeks back, but now i can't find it with any of the search terms that i included in the title of this thread.

basically it was about jws viewing bethel as the holy land and objects from it as sacred, which included cafeteria cookies dubbed "kingdom cookies" and one brother showing off a piece of broken concrete from a construction site at bethel, to the oohs and ahhhs of his fellow r&f.. was that a thread of its own, or were some folks just talking about it in an unrelated thread?.

Nevuela

Anyone know what happened to that thread? I remember reading it a few weeks back, but now I can't find it with any of the search terms that I included in the title of this thread.

Basically it was about JWs viewing Bethel as the holy land and objects from it as sacred, which included cafeteria cookies dubbed "kingdom cookies" and one brother showing off a piece of broken concrete from a construction site at Bethel, to the oohs and ahhhs of his fellow R&F.

Was that a thread of its own, or were some folks just talking about it in an unrelated thread?

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I found my wifes new blood card

by Steel in

i would like to say i am not in and my wife is a marginal witness at best.

she doesn't say anything bad about the borg or live an amoral lifestyle.

she just doesn't read the bible, or even the tracts anymore and generally has no clue about anything biblical or doctorial related.. i found my wives new card yesterday.

Nevuela

Here's something I've been curious about but afraid to ask my "anointed" roommate because I'm sick of listening to her back up her psychotic religion:

How does one get a blood card in the first place? Do the elders go around giving them out to everyone in the congregation? Or do they just ask random people if they have one, and if they don't, make sure to give them one ASAP? Or are you given one the day you get baptized? The latter seems unlikely because that would leave unbaptized children susceptible to receiving blood. I'm just wondering at what particular point, if any, a JW receives a blood card, and/or if it is simply pushed on them by the elders.

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Elder asking for help

by untruth in

this is my first time posting on here so i’m not sure where to start.

i’m trying to keep it as short as possible since i could expand much more.

i’ve been in the process of waking up in the last year and a half.

Nevuela

My question to the "we must obey" lot is this: what exact scripture in the Bible specifically states that we are to obey without question ANY human or organization? Not even the "faithful and discreet slave" is described in the Bible as someone/something we should obey. If anything, the FDS has an obligation to US to "provide spiritual food at the proper time."

Also, where does the Bible say it requires supplementary literature that would not be created until the 20th century to spoon-feed scriptural interpretations to us? And that that literature should be studied more than the actual Bible?

And the biggest question of all: if Judaism and Catholicism and Islam and every other "false" religion has existed for hundreds if not thousands of years, why would Jehovah wait so long to guide his chosen sons to create the one true religion? Why would false religion be all that existed for the past 6,000 years, but "the truth" has only been present on earth for a little over a century?

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The Anointed Class: Do They Have Spirits?

by Cold Steel in

i realize that the anointed class inherits heaven while the great crowd inherits a renewed planet earth, but how and when are the anointed chosen?

are these people born with spirits or do they grow them as they live?

when they die, they don't sleep but go right to heaven, right?

Nevuela

As one JW friend of mine said to someone who said they would get bored living forever:

"Well, you're bored sitting here right now, aren't you? Do you want to stop existing right this very moment just because you're bored?"

I can't conceive of living forever either, but she had a good point.

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If I Became a JW, Could I Have My Cat on Paradise Earth?

by Cold Steel in

would i?

i wouldn't mind if he slept through eternity (he sleeps most of the time anyway).

i'd just like to be able to move him around occasionally.

Nevuela

Island Man No they don't. I have asked several JWs about their belief in animal immortality, and not one of them has said that. Each of them told me roughly the same thing: they don't know. Some leaned toward your belief, but most leaned toward believing they would be reunited with their deceased pets in paradise. But not a single one of them were certain of anything.

If the Bible is to be believed (and I emphasize if), God will give us the desires of our hearts (Psalm 37:4). Many of us would naturally desire to be reunited with our pets. Following that logic, our animal companions will be resurrected along with us.

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More money-grubbing: Give us your money even if you can't afford food

by bohm in

jw
friends

the message would appear to be that jehovah needs money more than that old lady needs food:.

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Nevuela

What is the actual context of the article these illustrations appear in?

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Did leaving the "Org" ruin scary movies for you?

by jeanniebeanzz in

many 'scary' movies base their 'jumps' on a belief in the supernatural, demons etc.

since i have left that all behind, ther aren't many 'scary' movies that even make me uncomfortable let alone scared.

lol.

Nevuela

How could it? I never believed in most of the things that terrified me in horror movies in the first place. It's called willing suspension of disbelief. That's what allows you to experience horror, joy, heartbreak, etc. through a completely fictional experience.

BTW why should exiting the cult equal not believing in supernatural forces? Not everyone leaves for that reason. Many of us still believe in ghosts, gods, angels, demons and what have you.

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What is the biggest hypocrisy you have seen as a witness?

by HereIgo in

i have far too many to name, but ill start with obscene music, gambling and cussing like a sailor.

all the while preaching to "worldly people" about their impending death at armageddon.

thoughts?.

Nevuela

ShirleyW Who are you talking to? There's nobody by the name of scratchme 1010 commenting on this thread.

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The insanity continues

by FedUpJW in

as if anymore proof were needed that what used to be the religion i was baptized into has ceased to exist i was asked this insane question, when i mentioned to a jdub that someone i knew was celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary.

are they witnesses?".

i didn't used to really think about that insane question in the past, but now that i have woke up to ttatt it is glaringly obvious that they think there can be no chance of actually knowing and getting along with anyone outside their tiny circle of conditional friends.

Nevuela

Wayward That doesn't make sense, claiming non-JWs won't survive Armageddon. Every single JW I have ever known has told me that everyone will be resurrected, even the very worst of humanity, because our own death absolves us of our sins, and that we will all be tested one final time by Satan after the thousand-year reign of Jesus in paradise has made us all perfect. If we choose Satan's side then, we will be destroyed forever.