Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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are great crowd jehovah's witnesses?

by peacefulpete in

"all who have taken their stand on the side of jehovah must abide in his organization under christ, if they would live.

there is no exception to this rule...the name "jehovah's witnesses" applies specifically to god's annointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.

the official organization of jehovah on earth consists of his annointed remnant, and the jonadabs who walk with the annointed are to be taught but not be leaders.

XQsThaiPoes

Technically, it is not the Watchtower to whom this scripture (Deut. 18:20-22) can be applied, but the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. Though the terms are often used interchangeably (since the physical organization and the "spiritual" one are closely intertwined), there is a technical difference. The text in question is the Biblical definition of a false prophet, and can reasonably be applied to any entity that claims to be a prophet of God. The WTS has made such a claim regarding the organization on numerous occasions, perhaps one of the best known being in the April 1, 1972 Watchtower magazine:

Hmm does that scripture apply to the religious order of jehovah's witnesses or the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses?

You can believe what you want but you are saying an oppion collum by a book campany in new york is a false prophet. And some religion that distributes this editorial is a false prophet. Not a person mind you but a loose group of annonymous people that happend to break their own rules on what makes you elligible to be a prophet (such as joining the UN).

i can't follow you. I see theology in dollars and cents. I can't see how you can toss a religion or a corporation into a lake of fire. I may be able to stretch and say whom ever wrote it but then that violates free speach. It also calls to question things that certian people said in the bible that never happend.

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are great crowd jehovah's witnesses?

by peacefulpete in

"all who have taken their stand on the side of jehovah must abide in his organization under christ, if they would live.

there is no exception to this rule...the name "jehovah's witnesses" applies specifically to god's annointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.

the official organization of jehovah on earth consists of his annointed remnant, and the jonadabs who walk with the annointed are to be taught but not be leaders.

XQsThaiPoes

Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

Yes it is non specific who exactly is a "jehovah's witness" in association with? What is a "spirit directed organization"? If the organization is God's that means he owns it yet on this planet there is no credible entity that actually is documented to be owned by God.

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Hi everyone!! "Neo"bie on the forum

by Neo in

hi all posters!!

this is my first post on the forum so i just would like to drop a hi and introduce myself!

i'm an xjw doing the fade (like so many are doing nowadays).

XQsThaiPoes

Great graphs.

Tag.

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In which congregations is DA/DF announced?

by GermanXJW in

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as i wrote in jwd i sent my da letter and am now officially out.

since i have moved they have announced it in my current home congregation where nobody has ever heard of me.

but now i have been told that they usually inform the boe of all the congregations you have ever attended and those decide if they announce it there as well.. do you have any information on this?

XQsThaiPoes

RR when you are baptized they ask you before hand "How many times have you been baptized?" (I am sure you knew that). So they know about this and it does not always end in Re-DFing. But it is a funny story. You know acording to the wts being appointed to elder washes over past sins. I guess he should have done some reading.

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On the fading of 1914 ............

by TheOldHippie in

forgetful as i am, i just forgot the title of the new brochure issued at this summer's conventions, but it is something like "keep on the watch", and it deals with the imminent return of christ, the signs of our times, and the need for being on the watch, being prepared for the "any day now" return.. the signs of our times are mentioned, but not earthquakes, so they are "out" again, it seems.

but, the first pages make out the basis for the belief in our days being the last ones, the final ones, and 607 is mentioned, 539 and 537 - but not 1914, not the "seven times" or "2520 years".. do you remember 1995, when the "generation change" came?

in summer, the "knowledge" book was issued, and it also dealt with the signs etc., but for the first time, there was no mention of the then "present truth" that some alive in 1914 would still be alive and witness the return.

XQsThaiPoes

Yeah but did you notice how stupid the 1914 reference was in the aug 1 2004 watchtower?

"According to Bible chornology and fulfilled prophecies (notice not by proof or any "real" event in 1914), in the year 1914, God's Kingdom was established in the heavens with Jesus christ as king. At that time nations of the world had one thought in common. Rather than submitting to the soverignty of God's newborn Kingdom, they were emboiled in a contest of power- the Great War, or World War I."

Okay so something happens in heaven with no effect on earth and "the nations" are so evil they dont take notice of something that happend in another demision because they are engaging is a pissing contest call world war 1. The next paragraph says that because of this grave insult God is going to destroy every country in the world.

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are great crowd jehovah's witnesses?

by peacefulpete in

"all who have taken their stand on the side of jehovah must abide in his organization under christ, if they would live.

there is no exception to this rule...the name "jehovah's witnesses" applies specifically to god's annointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.

the official organization of jehovah on earth consists of his annointed remnant, and the jonadabs who walk with the annointed are to be taught but not be leaders.

XQsThaiPoes

Your topic is - Is Corporation a Biblical concept? Of course it is not, and religion as a business is not a Jewish or Greek idea of antiquity either. Book publishing is certainly not Biblical . . . it is never mentioned once. Business is a capitalistic idea and it has no Biblical links with faith or worship. We were sold on the idea that God is a capitalist, has a book binding and real estate business in the United States (not Palestine), and appreciated old men writing error in his name. Sold by the Watch Tower Publishing Corporation.

Gary why are you the only one that ever gets my points?

I think too many ex-jws are in the system sorta speak (oddly I am still a JW yet I am out of the system). I am pretty sure a false prophet in matthew was not refering to a book and hotel company no more than the beast in revelations is the united nations.

While I do not think JWs is a cult it is not a real religion. It is more of a theoretical political party. Look at the JW baptism questions they are very non-specific compared to a traditional christian baptism. A person could take them arguably with out changing their religion simular to a jewish baptism.

Back to the point you guys need to realize you have be tricked the watchtower is not a person. None of the things in the bible apply to it. All those "false prophets" that you hate so much are long dead. Thats why they took the names off the magazines not "to prevent undue attention to the writer" but to make you think the watchtower is a real person when it is not. It is just a brand name.

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are great crowd jehovah's witnesses?

by peacefulpete in

"all who have taken their stand on the side of jehovah must abide in his organization under christ, if they would live.

there is no exception to this rule...the name "jehovah's witnesses" applies specifically to god's annointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.

the official organization of jehovah on earth consists of his annointed remnant, and the jonadabs who walk with the annointed are to be taught but not be leaders.

XQsThaiPoes

*** Rbi8 Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ***

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"?However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" 22 when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.?

The watchtower is a document of corporation. Therefore they are an amaterial entity. How in heck does this scripture apply? Are we to storm some office building in new york, and rip up a piece of paper? BTW arent christian free from the rules of the OT?

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On the fading of 1914 ............

by TheOldHippie in

forgetful as i am, i just forgot the title of the new brochure issued at this summer's conventions, but it is something like "keep on the watch", and it deals with the imminent return of christ, the signs of our times, and the need for being on the watch, being prepared for the "any day now" return.. the signs of our times are mentioned, but not earthquakes, so they are "out" again, it seems.

but, the first pages make out the basis for the belief in our days being the last ones, the final ones, and 607 is mentioned, 539 and 537 - but not 1914, not the "seven times" or "2520 years".. do you remember 1995, when the "generation change" came?

in summer, the "knowledge" book was issued, and it also dealt with the signs etc., but for the first time, there was no mention of the then "present truth" that some alive in 1914 would still be alive and witness the return.

XQsThaiPoes

The problem they are having is the inmates run the prison. The writing department is getting too intelectually honest when it comes to 1919 /1914 they obviously don't understand why those dates are important anymore but use them by rote. They even admitted that other groups thought 1914 would be a pivotal year in bible history.

Slowly shear rationality has eroded the meanings on those dates. The watchtower writers are at a total loss. Someone should do a modern quotes thread on 1914 showing how varied the post 1995 description of the events that happend. They need a new claim to fame because they really don't know what they think happend in 1914 except something dealing with jesus and the "last days".

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are great crowd jehovah's witnesses?

by peacefulpete in

"all who have taken their stand on the side of jehovah must abide in his organization under christ, if they would live.

there is no exception to this rule...the name "jehovah's witnesses" applies specifically to god's annointed ones who have been taken out of the world and made witnesses for jehovah, and these alone bear the new name.

the official organization of jehovah on earth consists of his annointed remnant, and the jonadabs who walk with the annointed are to be taught but not be leaders.

XQsThaiPoes

I look at it the way the governing body would. The great crowd are not christians but like pagan prostylites that were allowed to live in the land.

I noticed an "anointing" of the great crowd recently. They in their comments in the meetings are claiming powers, positions, and privleges reserved for the anointed. I notice when you try to correct these slip ups they get offended or try to weasel out of their comment. They don't like being consider bystanders. On even asked "are you saying you are anointed?" I said "No I thought you were saying you were; by your comment."

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On the fading of 1914 ............

by TheOldHippie in

forgetful as i am, i just forgot the title of the new brochure issued at this summer's conventions, but it is something like "keep on the watch", and it deals with the imminent return of christ, the signs of our times, and the need for being on the watch, being prepared for the "any day now" return.. the signs of our times are mentioned, but not earthquakes, so they are "out" again, it seems.

but, the first pages make out the basis for the belief in our days being the last ones, the final ones, and 607 is mentioned, 539 and 537 - but not 1914, not the "seven times" or "2520 years".. do you remember 1995, when the "generation change" came?

in summer, the "knowledge" book was issued, and it also dealt with the signs etc., but for the first time, there was no mention of the then "present truth" that some alive in 1914 would still be alive and witness the return.

XQsThaiPoes

1914 along with 1919, the blood issue, and Michael the arch angel being Jesus are all withering beliefs. They are slowly deteriorating to the point of being old light. In the what JWs believes list I noticed years ago they did not have any 1914 and Michael references. Infact they chaged the 1914 proof texts from luke (15 i think the gentile times one) to mathew 24 in many publications.

The claim to fame is since 1914 "or thereabouts" as one recent publication said (kinda messed up if they dont know exactly when their own crap happpend anymore) more people have been dying and suffering and starving. Considering that since the industrial revolution their have been new more efficient ways to kill people and a larger population to kill they are right.

In 1997 they said 1914 has no prophetic significance other than Christ actively ruling as king. How do they know christ is actively ruling (as oppossed to passively ruling)?

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w97 6/1 p. 28 Questions From Readers ***

The facts about wars, famines, plagues, earthquakes, and other evidences bear out that since 1914, Jesus has been active as King of God?s Kingdom.

The offically droped the more earthquakes and stronger earthquakes angle in 2002 but claim earthquakes "distress" people, and in 3rd world countries greedy urbanization causes poor building standards which cause preventable death.

If they break the 1914 jesus link. The 1914 doctrine will be finally put to rest. On a positive note in that direction Jesus "coming in 1914" has be downgraded to "turning his attention to" earth in 1914. So coming to earth vs looking at earth from heaven is a pretty big dent.