Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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Fault in human DNA strand?

by El blanko in

hi there - i'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i need information.. i am not learned in this area of science and wondered if it is true that there is a fault within human dna that science assumes is the reason we break down and die and are unable to explain.. forgive my ignorance here.

this question spins off from a conversation i had this afternoon with an ex-jw who wishes to get back to the kingdom hall and was using this argument to present his ideas to me.

i told him that i was not aware of this particular area of study but would look into it for him.. i am assuming that he read this in an awake article maybe?.

XQsThaiPoes

Once organ replacement technology catches up needs of humans nobody will care about tolemers. Do you care when a lightbulb goes out? Not if you have a box full of good light bulbs. The JWs metaphysically have solved the problems sciend is working on physically. When you have magic it is easy to give what is essentially a body transplant brain and all. One of the watchtowers latent fears is that science will make their new order a reality. They have been around about 120 years you can have full body replacements in the next 120 years.

Organ transplants have 3 major problems supply, rejection, and the inability to attach nerve endings to the new organs. Supply and rejection are both solved by genetic engineering and maybe the nerve ending problem too. The last hurdel is the brain. It is still a black box. So even with new organs human life will be finite. What the point of having an 18 year olds body and dementia.

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Holidays and kids once you are out of the Org

by Iforget in

my son was born after i faded.

his dad and i always have had christmas (father never was jw).

we celebrate his birthday and we do easter.

XQsThaiPoes

I know I am still a JW, but if I ever left I would not pick up holidays. Maybe if I was in a more festive culture where the whole city throws a party (like mardegras) I could see it. I dont see scheduling your purchases because it is a certain day. I truely believe the JWs argument that a gift is best when it is unexpected. I am not saying these holiday celebrations are wrong (even if some are historically inacurate) just saying it is not something I would do even if I could.

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Disfellowshipped at 85!

by Voyager in

http://members.aol.com:/wtstudies/wts1/wts1.htm .

backup thread:.

http://members.aol.com:/wtstudies/wts1/wts1.htm .

XQsThaiPoes

The thing is he was clearly an apostate but too senile to understand that. I am sure the brothers tried to reason with him but he mostlikely was too fargone to understand. In many halls there are mentally ill or senile people the brothers ignore them unless they get disruptive.

I am not accussing him of anything, but maybe he did this kind of thing during talks, or the meetings and they DFed him because they got tired of escorting him to the parking lot. I am not saying it is right. I am just saying I have heard of people getting DFed because the elders can't control them, and they just want the person out of the hall.

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what is the real reason for condemning anyone to eternal death or torment?

by zen nudist in

consider that a real all powerful god could wipe out everyones memory instead of everyone.... guess that it did not occur.

to him in noah's day?.

if everyone had to start over and could be educated with the troof, why condemn them for anything done prior to that moment?.

XQsThaiPoes

consider that a real all powerful god could wipe out everyones memory instead of everyone.... guess that it did not occur

Thats what God calls death.

Like Dr. Zoidberg from futurama said "I've commited a few mercy killings"

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Another example of WTS anthropology - The Flood and racial differences

by Pole in

here is another paradox resulting from the wts stand on the flood:

1. jws seriously believe in 2370 bc as the date of the flood

2. they also believe that by the 1st century ad racial differences had been well developed (i mean differences in the outward appearance of course, and not their early racist views for instance).

XQsThaiPoes

Well depends on what you mean a race which is a social concept at best. You have flat hair, round hair, eye fold, sans fold, high melanin, low melanin, thin nose, thick nose alleles (there are ear shapes too, but oddly nobody counts them as part of your racial Identity short of vulcans and elves). This is a genetic Mr. potato head.

Anyone in the sun cancer belt will eventually get darker skin. Because skin cancer will kill you relatively quickly. The rest are just luck of the draw from when ever humans split. None of them are linked to each other. You can be black with blond hair, Asian with green eyes. If you don't have a culture behind it to say "we are the green eyed Asian people" people assume it is a novelty and move on. Remember humans are smart and can make anything part of sexual attraction. People with these traits are gobbled up quickly, taken care of better, and live better. Who thought small feet were sexy enough to break women?s feet in foot binding, or small waist sexy enough to push your ribs into your liver and make child birth impossible. It also works in reverse by making something obnoxious a cultural trait to keep outsiders from mixing with you.

You said the process magically stopped 1 AD. I know there are a bunch of Mexicans that will disagree with you. Almost 500 years ago lil white guys in boats met some Indians and now you have a whole new "race".

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Another example of WTS anthropology - The Flood and racial differences

by Pole in

here is another paradox resulting from the wts stand on the flood:

1. jws seriously believe in 2370 bc as the date of the flood

2. they also believe that by the 1st century ad racial differences had been well developed (i mean differences in the outward appearance of course, and not their early racist views for instance).

XQsThaiPoes

Now it?s not really possible that Shem was black, Ham was oriental and Ja´pheth was a blond white boy (or whichever way you want it), because they had the same parents...

Something tells me pole doesn't know many black families...

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Fault in human DNA strand?

by El blanko in

hi there - i'm sorry if this is off topic slightly, but i need information.. i am not learned in this area of science and wondered if it is true that there is a fault within human dna that science assumes is the reason we break down and die and are unable to explain.. forgive my ignorance here.

this question spins off from a conversation i had this afternoon with an ex-jw who wishes to get back to the kingdom hall and was using this argument to present his ideas to me.

i told him that i was not aware of this particular area of study but would look into it for him.. i am assuming that he read this in an awake article maybe?.

XQsThaiPoes

The problem with ageing is the byproducts of oxidation. Hence all this nonsense talk of drugstore anti-oxidents. Retiles live so long because they are cold blooded with slow metabolisms which means by the time they start showing signs of ages they are very old. Bats and birds are the only spieces that seem to get away with fast metabolisms and long life. In theory you could live forever but it takes technology we dont have. No body has discovered a brain transplant. Because one of the systems that takes the most abuse from oxidation is the human brain.

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Pyramids vs the Flood

by ezekiel3 in

historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.

we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.

jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).

XQsThaiPoes

Another place where it conflicts is it states noah was commanded to gather every food eaten.

Two foods he could not gather were in the garden of eden gaurded by that flaming living sword and angels. The tree of good and bad and the tree of life. So either God had a short memory or Noah (or the writer) did not know of the rest of the genesis account.

Genesis 3
24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.

Genesis 6 21 "As for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them."
22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.

NASB

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Pyramids vs the Flood

by ezekiel3 in

historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.

we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.

jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).

XQsThaiPoes

Lol leo thats funny.

I was a kid and could not figure how nephilim got in canan after they were killed in the flood.

Also I believed all the dates about dinosaurs as a kid. So I got to thinking one day how could I trust these people to tell me about creatures they have never seen but discount all their findings on humans that are still around today.

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Overpopulation in the "Paradise" Earth!

by Leolaia in

jw doctrine teaches that the 1,000 years of christ corresponds to "judgment day," and everyone who has not already been judged will be resurrected from the dead.

the exceptions would be those who died during the flood, the destruction of sodom and gomorrah, and a few odd individuals.

but that's only the people living today.

XQsThaiPoes

Here is a link with him helping look for life on mars. The is tryingto propose a method to find fosils in a 2009 mission

JPL1: Astrobiology Funding to the US Geological Survey: Lisa Gaddis, Jeff
Johnson, Jeffrey Plescia, Kenneth Tanaka
Research samples: Examine hyperthermophile communities in Yellowstone National Park (Wyoming) and tufa deposits in the Mono and Searles Lake Basins (California). Research: Determine whether extremophile habitats can be characterized with remotely-acquired spectral data and whether the presence of fossilized organisms can be recognized with remotely-sensed data. Spectral and spatial aspects of such data are needed to recognize particular extremophile environments via remotely sensed data. Such work contributes to planning and interpretation of data acquired from surface or orbital platforms for Martian sites .

http://nai.arc.nasa.gov/institute/about_mission_2.cfm