Also the watchtower likes to send like minded people to heaven such as William Tendale (sic) they have been several people implied by the watchtower to be of the 144k. This opens the floodgates to anyone persecuted by the church. Since the WTS does not have a dpt to recognize saints there is no rule to say who is a true believer vs. an apostate. Some people in good standing such as Johannes Gerber (John 1:1 NWT) have fallen out of favor if they were proved to be into the occult even C.T. Russell is fading from memory. If the watchtower uniformly applied its standards associating with an apostate, occultist, or disfellowshipped person would be a conscience matter. Because boy the people the watchtower quotes sure run the gambit.
XQsThaiPoes
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Do the WT authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?
by True North indo the wt authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?
i seem to have a vague recollection that they do.
however, they don't seem to have a problem reading and selectively quoting or citing from their writings which would then be the writings of apostates.
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Being weak in the truth or just less interested
by JH inoften the witnesses will say that someone is weak in the truth, if they don't do as much as the others.
i don't think that they use the right expression, because someone could just be less interested in these things, but not weak.
no one likes to be labeled "weak", so i wonder if this is not another way the watchtower has to make someone feel guilty, so that we will do more, just to be accepted by the others in the congregation?
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XQsThaiPoes
Quite often those who are 'weak', as they put it, are really just smarter than everyone else and their subconscious knows something isnt right about their life. They cant get into it 'the truth' or make sense out of it because there is no sense to be made.
It aint subconscious, and it is because there is nothing to "get into".
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Why did you lie to us Jesus?
by XQsThaiPoes inluke 11:10-13
for everyone asking receives, and everyone seeking finds, and to everyone knocking it will be opened.
11 indeed, which father is there among you who, if his son asks for a fish, will perhaps hand him a serpent instead of a fish?
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XQsThaiPoes
I notice that they they sound like the real life equivalents of the hypothetical "Brothers" and "Sisters" the publishing corporation tries to crucify every issue. I am begining to see there is a large gulf between the Watchtower and the Jehoavah's Witnesses. I wonder if they will ever part ways in public instead of just on paper.
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Do the WT authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?
by True North indo the wt authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?
i seem to have a vague recollection that they do.
however, they don't seem to have a problem reading and selectively quoting or citing from their writings which would then be the writings of apostates.
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XQsThaiPoes
They can't it is a black hole that?s why it is never covered. If 1935 was the start of the great crowd there are only 144k seats in heaven. There were more Christians than 144k in the first/second century. So that means that the 144k was filled close to Jesus time just as logic would dictate, and maybe just those few people jailed in 1919 may have been the last few. The larger problem is that makes most of Christianity in vain. I believe my hybrid of historical fact and the watchtowers beliefs is logical. With the death of the FDS this may become new light because there is too many latter day anointed as it is.
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Non Jw Dating a JW
by propel ini'm a non jw currently seeing a jw.
i am not totaly clear about the rules about jw's in dating.
could someone explain this to me and does it vary from family to family at all?
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XQsThaiPoes
For give me but I don't know your gender I will assume you are female, because most guys I know don?t care what the chick believes.
Okay to spell it out there is nothing they can do, but guilt trip. The watchtower has admitted that they can't tell you whom to marry. The watchtower has no scripture that can prevent your marriage.
For a non-jw woman
JWs (his friends) are going to almost accuse him of being a polygamist. Their reasoning is if you two get married the end of the world comes, only he survives, and he marries a perfect wife in God?s kingdom. You will be labels a seductress, with questionable character.
For a non-jw man
They will accuse you of being a predator preying on abundance of JW women who can't find a mate (2/3rds are women I believe) because they are naive. Sadly this is true and happens often when immigrant men that find American women are too liberal, and want too many things. They go out and sweep naive JW girl off their feet, most of these guys tend to be older upper middle class, and looking for a house wife and baby maker.
Don't listen to Lehaa (no offenses just you made it sound too sunny) if you marry a JW you won't like it, will be forced to become a JW, pull your partner any from JWs, or be the magic couple that does not mind being unofficial second class citizens. Also JWs are flighty with short memories anytime you act civil and tolerant they will bestow praise on you for "coming around", and try to instantly convert you, but when you loose your cool with them you?re obviously in cohorts with Satan.
Don't waste your time. The watchtower is right in its logic. Which is JWs are too weird to marry non-jws in plain English. I know too many JW non-JW marriages that ended in divorce. In general your relationship won't work just ask them to leave JWs or leave you alone. He/she should know better, and may be looking for a way to break away rather than really loving you, or they want to convert you thinking that if you love them you go through the motions to become a JW (regardless if you believe it), or they may be an quasi-JW with baggage I know many inactive JWs, or children of JWs that consider them selves JWs anyway even if they never commit themselves, but only try to date JWs and won't take blood. BTW be prepared if they swear off being a JW then after a trauma in their life, or come mid life crisis decide to rekindle their "faith in Jehovah". You will be pissed!
The watchtower only advocates marring a non-JW for sex. I know it sounds weird. But JWs are not allowed to be homosexuals, or fornicators. If you happen to be in a place where there are no eligible JWs to marry they can morally can justify getting married to an ?unbeliever?(the label they will give you) to avoid fornication if they know they lack the self control to undergo celibacy until they find a eligible person. Remember to drive the point home if you don?t know anything about JWs, and don?t care to look it up insert an ?e? they are JeWs that believe in Jesus. So all those weird things the Jews did and Christ did away with we will swear the ?principle? still applies. Meaning that to be ?safe? you should do them anyway for salvation. I believe paraphrasing Ned Flanders on the simpsons sums it up " Lord, I even do the stuff that conflicts the other stuff". The Watchtower is the organization that dictates what ?principles? still should apply to Christians, and they will change them about every 5 to 10 years.
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Being weak in the truth or just less interested
by JH inoften the witnesses will say that someone is weak in the truth, if they don't do as much as the others.
i don't think that they use the right expression, because someone could just be less interested in these things, but not weak.
no one likes to be labeled "weak", so i wonder if this is not another way the watchtower has to make someone feel guilty, so that we will do more, just to be accepted by the others in the congregation?
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XQsThaiPoes
I am ill so I have been labeled strong in the truth, for sitting in meetings stoned out of my mind on prescription narcotics. When I get sick sometimes I do nothing for months, but when I cameo every one pats me on the head and say "good boy". I believe there is a sub culture of JWs that are "normal" people, have no problem "fitting in", and kicking back. I have even heard ex-jws use a term on parity with "weak in the truth", and call people "nominal witnesses". It seems some dislike "nominal witnesses" because they are not "assimilated" enough to know the so-called "horrors" that go on, so they don?t understand the true nature of why it is so hard and truamatic to be a witness. Um maybe some people are not a naive as others to take the words of dead men too seriously because if they were truly on to something "millions now living will never die".
I just wish there was a way to know who was in the loop, and if any elders are ?nominal witnesses? too. Maybe even find a nominal Bethelite. I have heard stories from a friend that works there. The old-timers get way with saying the darndest things about the place.
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Should We Form A Committee?
by Englishman indansk recently asked us to write and protest about the erection of a kh in bury, lancashire.. many of us did just that and the newspaper concerened emailed most of us asking for permission to publish our comments in it's weekly issue.. it was also suggested that maybe we could also write to df'ing committees to protest at their actions.. so, we're wondering, should we form some sort of committee to co-ordinate operations such as this on an ongoing basis?.
if we did that, who would be interested in playing an active part?.
any suggestions as to how such an operation should be run?.
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XQsThaiPoes
The Watch Tower Inc. is a government in search of a world to govern. It functions like a government, acts like a political party and looks like a book printing business.
True but went did this become illegal, unethical, or immoral? I notice a few people I heard from on the net are outraged at the activity you are discribing saying that the WTS should be persecuted because they use the governments services for "free", but do not praticipate in it. Namely JWs don't vote, join the military, and the WTS doesn't pay taxes. When I ask should they make this illegal most people say no. The WTS is a lobbist. It seems that laws aimed to bind them would bind more powerful entities, and puppet masters than the WTS.
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All About The Trinity
by UnDisfellowshipped inwhen jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: "father, if you wish, remove this cup from me.
the one god is eternal (has always existed and always will), immortal (his divine nature cannot die), omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (he is everywhere at the same time), god is the only one who can read human hearts and minds, god cannot sin and cannot lie, god does not change his morals or his nature.
the trinity is not one person revealed three different ways (this is what "oneness pentecostals" believe).
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All About The Trinity
by UnDisfellowshipped inwhen jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: "father, if you wish, remove this cup from me.
the one god is eternal (has always existed and always will), immortal (his divine nature cannot die), omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (he is everywhere at the same time), god is the only one who can read human hearts and minds, god cannot sin and cannot lie, god does not change his morals or his nature.
the trinity is not one person revealed three different ways (this is what "oneness pentecostals" believe).
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All About The Trinity
by UnDisfellowshipped inwhen jesus was about to die, he showed who his superior was by praying: "father, if you wish, remove this cup from me.
the one god is eternal (has always existed and always will), immortal (his divine nature cannot die), omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), omnipresent (he is everywhere at the same time), god is the only one who can read human hearts and minds, god cannot sin and cannot lie, god does not change his morals or his nature.
the trinity is not one person revealed three different ways (this is what "oneness pentecostals" believe).
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