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  What is/was the last most believable date for second coming/Armageddon?

  by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was never a witness, i joined this site after my wife started studying with them, and i got upset over some of the things that resulted from that.

  however, i grew up in a similar high-control group called the worldwide church of god.

  much like the witnesses, in the mid 70s ( i forget the exact year, i was only in elementary school in those days, but it may have been 75, just like jws), there was a big push toward the end being at hand, the great tribulation is coming, etc etc.

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  zack

  Armageddon happended in 1975. The reason you didn't see it is becuase of your lack of faith. Only true faith can render the invisible visible. :)
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  Older people in churches versus older people at the Kingdom Hall

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  on a recent post the poster yadayadda made a comment about the subject that really got me thinking.. i recently attended a "worldly" wedding where there were alot of older people who attend those "pagan".

  churches.

  it was so good to see how happy they were.

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  zack

  My wife and I attended a "worldly" wedding a couple years back for a co-worker of hers. The minister gave the most simple and moving talk I had ever heard at a wedding. It was so much less forced than a JW affair with all the do's and don'ts for the sake of appearances. I actually enjoyed myself.

  To your point, though, about older ones in the JW's, I would say the majority are disillusioned, and what has disillusioned them isn't life, but their wasted life based upon the promises of this religion.

  Jesus, I guess, knew what he was talking when he said "Then if anyone says to you 'the due time has approached' do not go after them."

  My grandparents died waiting for the fantasy when they could have been enjoying a rewarding life. These guys are evil.
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  ADVANCE MEDICAL DIRECTIVE sheet on Blood----Check it Out

  by Mary in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i'm not sure if this has been posted before, but i acquired this 'points to consider' about what a dub is willing to accept or not accept when it comes to blood.

  as per usual, it appears that they've purposely made this very confusing and they're speaking out both sides of their mouth.

  on page 1, it seems one of the options is using your own blood: "...during the course of a surgical operation, i accept all medical procedures involving the use of my own blood except...".

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  zack

  This makes my point exactly that they have trespassed the practice of religion and are practicing medicine and law. Are they licensed to do these things in all 50 states? Someone can complain to the bar at least about this blatant practice of law whithout clear guidance as to who the client really is? I think threr are big issue here that soemone with juice needs to be goaded into investigating. Hell, the defendant has DEEEP Pockets, what more of an incentive. And frankly, the defendants are pussys--- they never had a fight in the playground and got their noses bloodied. They need to learn how to lose and we need to aid them to that end.
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  Radical Protestant Sect of One

  by willyloman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been reading "jesus and yahweh: the names divine" by harold bloom, a professor and noted literary critic, and came across a great line which was originally used to describe the religious status of john milton, a 17th century poet.. he is described as a radical protestant sect of one.

  i really like that.

  it pretty much summarizes my current relgious status.. radical: not mainstream.. protestant: not catholic.. sect: offshoot of an established religion.. one: each journey is unique.. i think rpso fits many of the posters here on jwd.. --willy loman (of the rpso class)..

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  Just got to your post, sir. Thanks for the reference. One man, one voice is all that's needed sometimes. All the best, whatever you're up to. I am sure your heart is in it in a way in never was as a JW.

  Do you have a calling?
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  Laws and regulations

  by youcanhaveago in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  disn't jesus say he had come to replace the law and gave one commandment - "to love one another ".

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  so why invent new laws and regulations every day/ week / month / year ?

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  Religion is evil because religion is from man. The Spirit is Holy because the Spirit is from God. The Spirit teaches all one needs to know. Therefore one never needs religion.
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  What the WT Mag says you need to belive if you want to become a JW.

  by A-Team in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  8/22/86, questions from readers excerpt.

  *** approved association with jehovah's witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the bible, including those scriptural beliefs that are unique to jehovah's witnesses.

  what do such beliefs include?

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  I say, if you want to keep a secret from a Jehovah's Witness, put it in the Watchtower magazine. This is a quote from Gar Buss from a different thread. Seems fitting.
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  Would there be a backlash if the Blood Ban was lifted?

  by Gill in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  would there be a backlash from current jws if the blood transfusion ban was lifted and made completely a conscience matter?.

  i suspect, that only those who had lost a close relative would be bothered.

  the others would just be relieved that they didn't have to worry about this traumatic issue anymore and they would carry on as ususal.. so, what is it, except for fear of legal action, that is stopping the ban being lifted?

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  I believe the achille's heel to the blood issue is that the GB has framed the issue not as religious but as medical. For example, they have at least 2 brochures dealing with blood as a medical issue. They have 3 videos dealing with blood as a medical issue. They have the Hospital Laison Committees which advise on blood substitutes.alternative therapy, etc.... These are MEDICAL interpolations by a religious corporation. Are they licensed to PRACTICE medicine? The practice of medicine can be as simple as giving somone medical advice. Are they licensed and trained to do this? They tell their members it is a matter of religion and yet advise them on a matter of medicine.

  I think if someone with the juice, say some bored tobacco company suing lawyer wants a crusade, he can get one against the WTS. Hell, they went after and won against McD's for serving hot coffee. That isn't nearly as egregious as killing people. For that matter, they won against Big Tabacco and has bigger pockets then them? It takes a Big Gun to bring down a Big Elephant. I think they're out there.
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  Your money AND your LIFE

  by TopHat in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you may have heard about bandits who waved watchtowers in their victim's face, demanding: "your money and your life!

  " today, this legendary demand is echoed in a challenging dilemma facing all of usespecially those of us living the jw life.

  this time, however, it is no bandit that presses the demand.

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  They talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Why don't they sell off all their assets and distribute the money to their own poor? The early Christians did it. Why not follow that example? Because they are hypocrites. And they have the balls to accuse the Catholic Church of opulence whilst the laity go hungry and yet the CO's last year showed the video of poor JW's building KH's and appealled to the rank and file for money for these poor folks. Why don't they give free? Why don't they help their own out of poverty? Simple.

  These guys are evil.
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  JWs and their thoughts on prayers by "worldly" people.

  by R.F. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how have jws expressed their views as to the prayers of people that aren't jws?

  do they think god listens and answers?.

  for instance, one elder that was speaking of prayer said, "just think how wonderful it is.

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  zack

  If God knows everything, then he knows your prayers. I think what the Bibile writers meant about God "hearing" a prayer may have to do with actually His acting on what you pray for. I personally find it inconceivable that anyone can believe in God and believe that he created us and then believe that he shuts his ears to everyone except a cult of 6 million WT salesmen.
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  4.5 million baptized in last 15 years.....

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this stat was quoted at the dc.

  has anyone here talked about it?

  especially as to how it could be used in figuring how many dubs are missing in action?

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  zack

  Two numbers they never disclose: the money that comes in and the money that goes out.

  Those are the real important ones, IMO.

  The other barometer, for me, as to the health of the religion, is not how many are baptized, but how many either leave or are put out. For example, when you measure a nation's health care progress, you measure mortality, not births. You may have 1 million babies being born, but if half are dieing before age 1, you're health care sucks. Same thing for the Borg. They'll never say though. Good thing Jehovah does all things in the light, huh?