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Drawing ConclusionsWhy we Believed what we Believed

by The wanderer in

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drawing conclusionswhy we believed what we believedinspired by another thread questioning why we believed in the garbage for so long,.

i have drawn some conclusions about this issue.. a vacuum societyas a captive of jehovahs witnesses, the beliefs taught did have a ring of truth .

around it and therefore anything that stated was unquestionably accepted.

zack

Fear of dying. Other Christian religions tell you you are going to heaven to be with Christ. The only way to get there, however, is to die. Well, no one likes death, no one likes to think of death, no one WANTS to die--- so along come the JW's and tell you that you need have NO FEAR any longer, you WILL NOT die.

You will receive the reward of eternal life without the complication of death. And you do not have to go to heaven because it is really quite boring anyway, all people do there is rule as kings and priests, and who wants to do that when you can screw your youthful, beautiful and perfect wife forever and make perfect babies and never have an a**hole boss and own your own home and have the big cats as pets and everyone you loved that's dead now will be there too and you'll eat perfect fruit and veggies and have ETERNITY to get really good at canasta or piano playing!! WOW!!!!!! I DO NOT HAVE TO DIE TO BE IN PARADISE! SIGN ME UP!!!

Fear of dying.

I didn't realize how anti-Christ the whole thought of it is 'til I wrote that. Thanks JWD!

Zack-------

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"How Could I Have Believed the Garbage for so Long?"

by scout575 in

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"i went through the same thing when i started my deconversion process.

when i began to think rationally about life i was in shock.

i would ask myself, "how could i have believed the garbage for so long?

zack

JWdaughter,

Hi,

I don't think people feel that life or any time in life is a waste. Life is to be savored, teasured, celebrated, enjoyed. And most join or stay with the WT for that very reason: they want life and more of it. That's the promise, the hook: eternal life, youth, beauty, no sorrows, the girl of your dreams, ecstasy and pleasure.

The WT, however, narrows a person's choices. And that narrowing of choice takes away from a person. It is that taking away that makes a person feel like the time was wasted. The WT pushes down a person's dreams, aspirations, talents, individuality, humanity. Time in it is wasted in the sense that it was invested in a lie.

If you work hard all your life and invest in a company and your money grows from a thousand dollars to a million dollars and then it goes broke the day before you retire, can you really say you were once a millionaire? Would not your money have been "wasted" ? Yes. Because all that time you could have invested in something ELSE. The WT takes away the ELSE, the choice, the opportunity.

Zack------

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Talk by brother Herd (long)

by moomanchu in

the stars fall from heaven?

~sigh~ and youll fall across the finish line into the new world!

we dont want that brothers.

zack

I noticed how he said we should be obedient now to the FDS because in the future there may be few or no anointed (WTS Annointed) and we will have to listen and obey the non-anointed.

Anyone else catch that? I think the GB is preparing for a shift in leadership to the great crowders.

He was also very disdainful of anyone in the religion professing a heavenly hope who didn't have the WTS stamp of approval. For a religion to claim to be Christian and deny

any of its adherents the hope to actually be with Christ, is the worst sin of all. All the other tricks aside, that has got to be the cruelest for a true believer.

Sam Herd was my DO for 3 years. He is truely over the top, a chauvinist, a zealot, and borders on the nutty. He gave a talk at our hall and used the

book "Women and Angels" which I beleive is the story of a woman that lived prior to the flood and fell in love with a fallen Angel who although repentant couldn't get back into God's

good graces. Anyway he used that book, which he said was at the Bethel Library and Gilead Library, to tell the sisters at the hall that their beauty should be on the inside---

although "I enjoy the beauty on the outside." Laughs from the audience. "But that's the point, you see, that's what those demons liked, too. The outside. God loves the inside."

He probably forgot about that when criticizing partakers who "appeared" to be less than spiritual.

Zack----

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True Co$t of a Convention

by zack in

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for years one of my assignments was in accounting both at the circuit level and district level.

i was never department head because those slots are filled my true company men.. the cost of an assembly is determined by a formula the assembly hall committees uses.

it's pretty straightforward.

zack

I never minded giving to the local cong. After all, you had to turn the lights on, pay for air conditioning, etc.... But I did not like

donating to the Branch. They are answerable to no one. I always wanted to see where my money was going. Still do. And I want

to be able to condition its spending. With the Assemblies and conventions, few people know their money is going to the Branch. And no one

has a say over how it is spent.

Zack-----

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"How Could I Have Believed the Garbage for so Long?"

by scout575 in

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"i went through the same thing when i started my deconversion process.

when i began to think rationally about life i was in shock.

i would ask myself, "how could i have believed the garbage for so long?

zack

You believed because they coat it with sugar. They wrap it in silk and bind it with tinsel. You do not know its garbage until you're

spewing your guts out, dizzy and weak from the poison, insane from the screaming in your head that keeps telling you

to GET THE F*** out, but you're not sure what it is or why it is or if its just you---- they keep you so busy that its almost impossible

NOT TO BELIEVE the garbage! I believd it. Every bit. Did I doubt? Sure. I mean, what 7 year old doesn't think that NOT HAVING ANY FRIENDS is ok?

Or not being able to give your Mom a little card you made in school out of construction paper and glitter, all the while your conscience telling you you're

going to be destroyed at the Big "A" for participating in a worldy activity? At least I know now. So do you.

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More thoughts on Satan the Devil

by lovelylil in

the other day, we were discussing whether satan is a real person (fallen angel) or just the personification of evil.

i was trying to see people's thoughts on this topic because many christians i know claim satan is not real.

even clergy today teach this.

zack

Sir, Lil:

I've enjoyed your posts. God knew everything that is happeningwould happen--- not because its fixed somehow, but it's like a chess game where a player can see 10 or 12 moves down the board, eliciting from his opponents the moves HE KNOWS his opponent will make, ultimately bringing his opponent to checkmate.

I don't understand all of it, but I know that if God is the Creator, than he can do anything he well pleases and all the rest of his creation are helpless to stop Him. What I do not like, because I cannot understand it, is why He can't be held responsible for any it? He made everything, including good and evil ('cause either he is the creator or he isn't, right?), so why do the rest of us, through NO FAULT of our own pay the consequences for something WE DID NOT DO?

It's a rhetorical question. It may be an unanswerable question. And I do beleive in GOD because I have to for my own sanity. I just don't understand Him sometimes. And one of the reasons is He has made Himself difficult to understand.

Ahh, my head hurts!

Zack----

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True Co$t of a Convention

by zack in

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for years one of my assignments was in accounting both at the circuit level and district level.

i was never department head because those slots are filled my true company men.. the cost of an assembly is determined by a formula the assembly hall committees uses.

it's pretty straightforward.

zack

Hey, thanks for posting. I used to enjoy TJ's posts while I "lurked."

Seeker4: Thanks. I'm sure you were/are nothing like Reichsfurher Assembly Overseer that we have here, now.

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In Memorandum

by RichieRich in

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it was the 14th of april last year that i had to sit my mother down and tell her i was an apostate.. i was closer to her than anyone else.

my father and mother are still married, but he let her raise me as a witness, and that meant it was me and mom.. me and mom in field service for 100 hours in july because she had to make her time as a regular pioneer.. me and mom fighting over what to bring for lunch to the district convention.. me and mom up late at night, when she would berate me, and then unload all her problems on to me.. me and mom and our 4 hour family studies, where we discuss 2 paragraphs of a random book, and then she would browbeat me until early in the morning.. somehow, through all that, i pretended to be a witness for years, just to appease her.

looking back, i don't know if i loved her, or if i was just afraid of her.

zack

Hey Richie,

I've seen you at assemblies and conventions and recently at Target. Always i wanted to say hello. Buy this religion is like living in Stalin's

Russia--- who can you trust? Anyway, all the best to you man. Truely. I grew up in this and swallowed the hook 'cause fear was stronger

than love--- the fear of getting the shit beat out of you by those wonderful ladies, my mom, grandma, and aunt, ----for not wanting to go to a meeting. I'm glad you're out while you're young.

Take care.

Zack-------

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True Co$t of a Convention

by zack in

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for years one of my assignments was in accounting both at the circuit level and district level.

i was never department head because those slots are filled my true company men.. the cost of an assembly is determined by a formula the assembly hall committees uses.

it's pretty straightforward.

zack

For years one of my assignments was in accounting both at the Circuit Level and District Level. I was never Department Head because those slots are filled my true company men.

The cost of an assembly is determined by a formula the Assembly Hall Committees uses. It's pretty straightforward. Annual costs plus a set aside for maintenance and

equipment upgrades divided by the amount of pubs. in the Circuits that use the building. This year in my circuit it's something like $2.30 per pub. per day. Not for attendee, but per pub.

However, every Sunday afternoon the Assembly Overseer gives a report: "Expenses this Assembly $11,500. Your contributions $3,500. We are confident in Jehovah in being able to

cover our expenses." So, the pubs., usually about 1,000 of them on average in my area, reach in and fork over more money. Here is what they ARE NOT TOLD: The so called expenses

include resolutions for contributions passed by the elders in the Circuit at their business meeting and this money goes to the branch. Who sponsors those resolutions? Why, the

Assembly Overseer and the Accounts Overseer (at the suggestion of the Circuit Overseer), company men extraordinaire, many who are former Bethelites. SO, in a Circuit where the

expense is only $4,600 for two days, like in mine, the pubs send unbeknownst to them, an extra 7k per wk end.

Our Assembly Overseer says of the pubs. generosity: "Jehovah always provides." It is a demonstration of their reprehensible

sense of entitlement the higher ups have when it comes to treating the sheep like they're stupid, like its their job to be dishonest with them because if left to their own devices

they wouldn't donate any extra.

Sorry for the long post. I am in my anger stage of this process.

Zack--------------------

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What's the purpose of a one day assembly?

by oppgirl63 in

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my jw roommate has a one day assembly this coming sunday.

what do they usually do at one day assemblies that they couldn't just do at their regular meeting?

zack

$$$$$$$$$$$$ Out of your pocket and into theirs.

Zack-----