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  Today's Annual Meeting

  by zack in

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  anyone going?

  know anyone that is?

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  zack

  Anyone going? Know anyone that is?
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  Did you get a little pressured to get baptized young?

  by outofthebox in

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  we saw an elder the other night trying to convince a couple of kids that they were ready to be unbaptized publishers.

  and then he went and added that he was baptized very young and they should too.

  so, these two kids were feeling the pressure.

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  zack

  The effect of the choice given me at the age of fourteen was the same as the effect of a gun being put to my head. We were talking about our own personal experiences, right?

  So when I, as a child, was repeatedly told that God would smite me and the crows would eat the eyes out of my still warm flesh as the Almighty's angels sang in praise of the

  slaughter IF I did not get baptized (because baptism was the mark of survival, the mark that the angels would recognize, the ink on the forehead!), this was not about serving God, it was

  not about loving God, it was not about even being loving to me---- it was a threat, a coercion. Sure, JW's tell you it is your own personal choice---- kind of when a gunmen holds a gun to

  the head of bank teller and demands the money--- the teller has choice, right?

  Think about it. And welcome to the forum.

  God and the Watchtower are way seperate, my friend.

  Enjoy!
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  Presiding Overseer's wife publically reproved.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  latest gossip round these here parts is that the wife of the presiding overseer has been 'publically reproved'.

  nothing has filtered through about what the 'crime' was yet.. they are a young couple and he appears to me to be very conscientious in doing his best for the brothers.

  i feel sorry for them as i have seen the pressure on them to juggle the demands of the cong with his wife who i think may suffer from depression.. thanks.

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  zack

  Can't you feel the love at those meetings? Don't you miss being privy to the intimate details of a person's life? Don't you delight in witnessing their pain,

  their failings, their sins? Isn't God's Organization wonderful!!!! They are the happiest people on the WHOLE PLANET!
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  What is the key that unlocks the mental grip of the WT?

  by LennyinBluemont in

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  ive wondered this from time to time, especially in trying to figure out how i finally broke free and in looking at the stories of others.

  if you asked me a few years ago, i probably would have said either seeing too much hypocrisy or suffering the last straw of spiritual and/or emotional abuse.

  but i know in my case and others, even that wasnt enough to break the mental shackles.

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  I don't know of any one "key." For me it was this: I lost my fear. Once I wasn't afraid of all the consequences that the WT preach will befall you if you leave them, I was free.

  I simply said to myself (and now say to others): If I will be judged on what I myself am and what I myself do, then I need no one else telling me who to be or what to do."

  If there is a God and a judgement, then I would rather stand on my own after having LIVED for my own, than stand on my own after having LIVED for the GB.

  Lose the fear and gain your FREEDOM.

  Peace.
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  Did you get a little pressured to get baptized young?

  by outofthebox in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we saw an elder the other night trying to convince a couple of kids that they were ready to be unbaptized publishers.

  and then he went and added that he was baptized very young and they should too.

  so, these two kids were feeling the pressure.

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  zack

  Absolutely. Got baptized at 14. I wanted to be on God's side when he decided to smite all the wicked non-baptized people on the whole planet. They might as well have held a gun to my head---- at least that would have been more honest.
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  Have you ever forgotten your baby was in the car?

  by changeling in

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  what's up with this wave of people forgetting their babies are in the car?

  i'm a certifiable dingbat but i never forgot my kids were in the car.

  if i ever did, i can't see it happening for more than a few minutes and then running back to the car to get them.

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  I do not understand and cannot fathom how ANYONE can forget their child is in the car. It is beyond the pale. On the other hand, those enormous car seats

  parents are supposed to use nowadays for kids (in some states for kids who weigh up to 75lbs.) does make it easier for a parent who did not originally place their

  child in the seat to be unaware a child is in the car if the child is sleeping, because it takes them out of their routine, i.e., child seat, sealt belt adjustment, etc....

  Still, I have a very difficult time with the stories about children dieing in parking lots from dehydration and hyperthermia due to the negligence of a parent. It infuriates me

  and saddens me at the same time.
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  2008 District Convention Theme

  by R.F. in

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  okay, so it should be very soon when the theme for the 2008 convention will be made public.

  what do you think the them will be?

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  zack

  "The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves!"
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  Cold Weather Dress Code for Witnesses

  by WTWizard in

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  with the advent of cooler weather (at least in canada and the northern us), one might think of how the witnesses are going to cope.

  for certain, dress codes are going to have different effects now than they did when it was broiling hot.. men are going to be more comfortable now.

  cooler weather means that the coat is not going to create as much heat stroke risk as it did in the heat of mid summer.

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  zack

  Ahhhh. Love. Logic. Reason. Never to be found in dubdom.
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  A former assembly Hall overseer

  by parlay in

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  had the nerve to counsel teddy j of the gb about the unkind way things were communicated.

  to the assembly hall staff, citing the counsel the service department wasn't following it's own advice .

  they give to elders about treating the friends with kindness and respect.

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  zack

  Satan was also a brother of Christ. Ted J fits right in the family.
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  How to stump someone that believes the noah's flood happened.

  by 5go in

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  one of the key peices of evidence that people sight to try to prove the flood happen is the fact the most cultures have a flood myth or story as they put it.. i was just watching a program that also points out the most, if not all cultures believe in dragons.

  even cultures that evolve in isolation have beliefs in dragons and they are all simular though not the same.

  just like the flood myth.. so if they believe the flood happened because so many cultures have flood stories.

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  zack

  The whole point of the flood was so God could rid the world of the ungodly and preserve alive the godly, right? Then if he did it BACK THEN, why the hell didn't the "issue" of his universal soveriegnty end up as resolved? FINITO. Either it never happened or, if you follow the beleiver's God-logic, destroying an entire ancient world just didn't satisfy God--- only the destruction

  of a modern and much more populated world could prove his goodness, love, and almightiness.

  To me, and I am a believer in God, all this Bible stuff is wholly incompatible with a being capable of creating every other thing both animate and inanimate. It smells of legend and the tools of fear used by men to rule other men with that fear.

  The more I actually STUDY the Bible, the more UNBELIEVABLE it becomes.