Posts by dubstepped

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not going to school

by Sabin in

i don't know if it is the same where you are but where i live it is a common practise of jdub`s to withdraw their kid`s from school at about year 8 even younger in some cases.

they say they are being home schooled & of cause they do cover a certain amount of school topics.

don't get me wrong i`m not saying that it is wrong to home school a youngster, especially if they are being bullied or suffering in some way, but the jdub`s don't do it for this purpose, oh no their kid`s are out on the field service during what would be school hours.

dubstepped

It really turns my stomach. Why? Because I've watched the effects of it. It has been hot here since I was a kid, and I'm thankful that I went to traditional schools and got the education I could, as I was discouraged from going any further. I've seen this in my own family and one member didn't graduate or even get their GED and it obviously impacted their employment thereafter. The other member that I watched do it graduated from the accredited online program, but dear God, a monkey could do the work they were assigned. It was perfect for JW's though, as all they had to do was regurgitate information in open book tests on the simplest of subjects. My wife actually was home schooled, which primarily consisted of her codependent needy mom using her for company the whole time and discouraging her from doing her school work. My wife never graduated, so I pushed her to get her GED when we got married.

I do realize that there are kids that can come out of a home schooling process with a wonderful education. However, that would more likely happen when their parents are educated themselves. Otherwise it is the blind leading the blind. Go over to JW Talk and read their forum on home schooling. Holy crap, those people are dumber than rocks and they're looking for any excuse not to teach their children anything not from a Watchtower magazine or to use the ministry hours to substitute for more traditional schooling. The parents over their can barely string together a coherent sentence and couldn't spell their way into a remedial English class, but they're all educators now, teaching the next generation.........errrr............overlapping generation???? With an organization that can't even figure out the meaning of simple words and/or concepts, what hope do the kids have?

Parents, if you want to limit your own lives, go right ahead. Knock yourselves out. DO NOT jeopardize the futures of your kids and limit them simply because you need a buddy or want them to follow a predetermined course destined by the organization that you blindly serve.

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"Getting Baptized Is A Protection...."

by dubstepped in

i'm sure that most of us heard that line when we were young.

i never could convince myself of that, other than that it hung a blade over my head that would then be on the chopping block should i err in some way and thus they would be protected from me, but i also knew that i needed to do so anyway.

otherwise i'd be a pariah if i got older and didn't take the step, and i wanted to be good in their eyes.

dubstepped

I'm sure that most of us heard that line when we were young. I never could convince myself of that, other than that it hung a blade over my head that would then be on the chopping block should I err in some way and thus they would be protected from me, but I also knew that I needed to do so anyway. Otherwise I'd be a pariah if I got older and didn't take the step, and I wanted to be good in their eyes.

I finally figured it out though. It actually finally became a protection for me. If I hadn't been baptized I never could have disassociated, and now I actually am protected from the ten kinds of crazy that the toxic organization brings to people. They can't talk to me now even if they wanted to. No more passive aggressive comments. No more bigoted statements to listen to. No more fear mongering directed at me.

Looks like they were right all along, just not in the way that they thought.

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JW do alot of bad... and we are all collectively responsible for this!

by StephaneLaliberte in

i know someone who was working for an elder.

when she got disfellowshipped, he gave her two weeks noticed and paid for one... she didn't bring that sob to court as it was her own father.

that happened about a months ago.. another example is that me and my family have become inactive.

dubstepped

I agree to some extent with the OP. That's one reason of many that we just DAed. To continue to stay in while wanting out felt like enabling the organization to continue while I held the burden. Nope, not going to do it. What would happen if all of the faders stood up and DAed? It would make a statement. Fading says nothing, though I understand why people do it for family. Still, I believe that sends the wrong message to the top, that they can do what they want and few will take a stand against them.

Many that are DFed hang their head in shame and go away with a whimper. It is what they want and brainwashed people to do.

So many in the Borg have doubts but are scared to voice them. All of this lets things go on unchanged. The organization is a bully and people are afraid to punch them in the nose. As a result, they keep on doing what they do. I don't really fault people for not standing up because it is tough for people bearing their scars to do so, but I have to wonder how much the status quo goes on because few really use their voice.

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Reflecting on my Disfellowshipping

by kairos in

jw
friends

today is the day.. i was baptized as one of jehovah's witnesses on march 25th 1989.disfellowshipped for admitted apostasy today, september 10th 2015.. what an amazing story we all share.

how did we get involved with this group and think this was the best way of life?.

i asked my wife to stay home from the meeting tonight and spend the evening with me.she is.... we celebrated our 19th wedding anniversary this past monday.. i must admit, i never saw any of this coming, but it couldn't have come sooner.i'm free of all the fake friendships.

dubstepped

Cheers Mr. Kairos! I know you never expected to be here, like I never expected to be DAed last week. What a long, strange journey it has been. But let me tell you that there was a sense of freedom and peace that came over us last week and continues today. Many hang their heads when they get out, but hold your head erect, for your deliverance is here. You're done my man. Don't look back. Keep running toward freedom. It is a strange place, but it is also beautiful if you do it well.

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Where my cleaners at?

by dubstepped in

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friends

i was just wondering who else on here cleans for a living.

we all know the dubs' penchant for cleaning, so i was wondering if my wife and i were the lone cleaners on here.

we've cleaned together for 15+ years now.

dubstepped

I was just wondering who else on here cleans for a living. We all know the dubs' penchant for cleaning, so I was wondering if my wife and I were the lone cleaners on here. We've cleaned together for 15+ years now. Everything from rentals to houses, from detailing cars to washing windows, with carpet cleaning and even some painting in there as well. We've also cleaned offices, a library, car dealerships, and banks. We now focus on house cleaning and have for years, with carpet cleaning and on rare occasions we'll detail a car for a cleaning client. No employees here, even though we've got a huge waiting list for our house cleaning services. Employees are just a hassle that we don't want to deal with, and honestly we love our clients and they are our friends and our family now that we've DA'ed.

I gave up college and other entrepreneurial opportunities when I graduated high school to pioneer, as we all know for good dubs wanting to please that's what you do. I honestly don't regret the path my life has taken though. It could have been more lucrative for sure. However, my wife and I have an amazing relationship and we get to work together every day. Additionally, I get to listen to podcasts and books every day while I work, and it was those audio programs that helped broaden my perspective and eventually wake me up. I listened to books on codependence, emotional abuse, narcissism, ADHD, finance, business, and so much more. I listened to podcasts on psychology, mental illness, money, great true stories, and more. Those things exposed me to so much that helped me round out as a person instead of just having a life revolving around the narrow perspective of the JW religion. I also got to observe families that we work for and to see that they in no way reflected the bigoted view given to me from the religion that I grew up with, and the same for my wife. I have a great life now, and am soooooooo at peace since our DA'ing was announced last Wednesday, just one week ago.

So, how about you? Any other cleaners here? What type of cleaning do you do? Has it served you other than simply being a job in ways?

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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation

by Splash in

at around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".

this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.

obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.

dubstepped

Am I totally wrong, or to be in someone's generation don't you have to be born around roughly the same time? It isn't just about living at some point in the duration of a person's life, but about having life spans that start around the same time, much like my parents and I (and my siblings) are different generations of a family. Even the scripture they used at Exodus 1:6 to define generation talked about Joseph's brothers as that generation and then used a vague term thereafter. But specifically it talked about a generation in context of siblings, who for all intents and purposes would be born in roughly the same stretch of childbearing time and constitute a generation.

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Done.....done done done....

by dubstepped in

my wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.

we....are...free!.

i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.

dubstepped

I just wanted to say a quick "Thanks!" to all of my friends here before I head off to bed. Hopefully our first night free is one of sound sleep. My wife has had some battles with insomnia throughout this process because of dreams from the stress of the process. But it is so worth it already. We have a new life brewing and it already tastes so much better than the one we left behind. Your words mean a lot to both of us. I may post here, but I show lots of things to my wife and it made us both feel less alone through the process of awakening and eventually DA'ing.

@never a jw - I hope I can take you up on that offer someday. Unfortunately we live in Indiana, not sunny California. We've got time now to follow our own dreams, one of which is going out west. We've never been farther west than St. Louis, lol. That's not very far west.

And let me give a shout out to all of those on here that can't DA because they have a spouse or someone that they're close to in that prevents it. You folks have my utmost respect. We did lose family in this process and it was painful and will continue to be. But my wife and I happened to wake up together and escape together. I wish that for everyone else fighting for family. May you someday be able to escape with that person or those people. I sincerely wish that for you. There's no magic formula, just time and/or timing. Keep up the good fight.

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interesting stuff re the RC in my local area

by umbertoecho in

i was sent a list of places i could contact in my part of wa.

i was cautious.

i always ask if they are jws.

dubstepped

Oh wow, just learning what WA stood for and RC puts an entirely different perspective on it, lol. You have to realize that we Americans don't recognize that others don't revolve around our US centric lingo and abbreviations. What are these places that you're contacting? What is their purpose? Why might the person you're phoning be a JW if they're involved with this Royal Commission thing that you're a part of? I'm missing some details, but I understand much more now that baltar above filled in some misunderstandings on the RC and WA abbreviations.

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Done.....done done done....

by dubstepped in

my wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.

we....are...free!.

i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.

dubstepped

umbertoecho: Oh, could you please keep thanking away to the society...........it was so entertaining for me and (I'm sure) the rest of us....You were on a role, go back to it...so droll.

Ask and ye shall receive:

I'd like to thank the organization for blaming the victim on things like 1975, and for changing doctrines under the label of "new light" instead of "we were wrong". Humility is an attractive quality. Thanks for keeping that quality under wraps.

I'm so thankful that the Society decided to pursue and kick out one Ray Franz. Had you not done that, kind sirs, he would likely never have penned Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom, two books that now mean so much to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Had you left him alone, he may have just died in relative silence.

I'd like to thank the congregation that I grew up in for abiding by the Society's "performance based" guidelines for appointing people in the congregation and then making my dad an elder. Oh how those rousing family talks touched my heart knowing that what he said and what he did were two completely opposite things. It allowed me to see that what is presented may not be true at all from the stage.

On that note, thank you circuit overseers for having both myself and my wife on Circuit Assemblies back in the day and allowing us to give our experiences. Well, not entirely our experiences, as you made it clear that neither of ours really measured up to the level that you wanted, so thank you for helping us embellish our goals for the future or experiences so that they were even more rousing, and yes, kind of fake. It helped us to see that most of what the people said up there was bulls%!t.

Thanks to a few congregations for giving me responsibilities or appointments over the years. Each time let me see a little bit more what goes on behind the curtain, and how it isn't what it was supposed to be. Things were so disorganized and a mess.

I'd like to thank the organization for painting everyone outside of the Witnesses as meth smoking, gun toting, STD ridden whores that lived to gamble and steal from everyone around them. It really helped us to see as we worked with "worldly" families that they were nothing like you projected them to be. That helped me to see that we had been lied to.

Thank you SO MUCH for GBTV. Putting the members of the governing body in the limelight was enlightening. Holy crap, those guys with strange personalities are the leaders of this?! Whoa!

Thank you also for Tony Morris. I mean, his loving words of counsel were so well thought out. I would have thought that having millions of eyeballs would have been the time to address petty things like how some feel left out in the congregation, or that pesky blood doctrine that is neither here nor there, or maybe how to help other people, but no, tight pants and bright socks it is. Those pressing issues were indeed something troubling. We can't let the gays win.

WTBTS, thank you for just being you.

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Done.....done done done....

by dubstepped in

my wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.

we....are...free!.

i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.

dubstepped

DONE!!!!!!

My wife and I just found out that our disassociation was announced last night. We....are...FREE!

I'd like to take a moment to thank some people:

Thanks to this community for helping me figure things out and supporting one another in this awful journey to freedom.

I'd like to thank all of the brothers and sisters in our congregation. If you had shown the love you lay claim to showing we may never have woken up.

I'd like to thank all of the elders over the years that ignored us unless they needed us for something. Your lack of support was priceless.

I'd like to thank the organization for contradicting itself enough and making ridiculous hyperbolic assertions that I simply couldn't ignore no matter how much cognitive dissonance I experienced.

I'd like to thank both of our families for totally abandoning us when we talked to my DFed brother. Your insta-shun really helped solidify that the organization not only has no love, but also robs one of even basic familial love the split second someone steps out of line as you see it.

I'd like to thank the people that pressured me to pioneer instead of going to college. That awful year made me question the validity of your suggestions as to how my life should go.

Thanks to the congregation that I grew up in that was so over the top hyper-zealous that it nitpicked all young ones until they left the hall, and eventually the organization as a whole.

Really, I could go on forever but I'll stop. We are free of all of you in the Borg and our resistance didn't prove futile. Thanks to those that actually supported us. I look forward to telling even more of our story here and maybe even posting pics of us. No need to hide ever again!