Yikes, I've defended Lloyd a lot, still think he does good work and I have no issue with people donating or paying for whatever they choose (including inclusion in a book), but those comments there are really easy to make when you're not the one facing the bill. It really sounds like he's kicking them while they're down. Not cool. I may have read it wrong but it looks like they may still be facing money damages above and beyond what they raised, and he's the one pissed off. Maybe I'm missing something but his comments are not a good look at first blush.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses Sue Owners of FaithLeaks for Posting 74 Convention Movies
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-faithleaks-owners-over-convention-videos .
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/05/01/jehovahs-witnesses-sue-owners-of-faithleaks-for-posting-74-convention-movies/.
the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, which oversees the jehovah’s witnesses, is suing the truth and transparency foundation and its founders ryan c. mcknight and ethan g. dodge alleging copyright infringement..
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Did the Apostafest happen?
by Biahi indid flipper host the apostafest, or was it cancelled due to covid 19?.
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dubstepped
I don't know if they want me sharing the details so I won't. They probably don't want even more people coming this year in particular. It's called the Midwest Apostafest (there's a page on Facebook for it) and has been going on for years. We usually go but won't this year with Covid. I know some will be attending though. It's a one day even in the large back yard of a private home. They invite a lot of people and it's a good time.
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Honest assessment of my life
by silent3 inmy old account was silent and i had to create a new account which kind of bums me, but here i am.. over the years i've really experienced some rough times emotionally and spiritually which led me down many paths.
being angry most all of time with a few outbursts really started to make me take stock of what was wrong with me.
further i started really going back and trying to figure out where i went wrong.. so i revisted all my previous posts on here.
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No, it's not a cult at all. This guy just had to bump every post he's ever commented on to try to justify a dog going back to it's own vomit. Look, look, at least I didn't question the cult leaders directly. It was all meeee, I was just so defective. But I'll be good now, just make sure Jehovah and Jesus know what I really said and let me repent of my once heartfelt expressions so I can get in their good graces. This is one of the saddest displays I've seen. You deserve better Silent. It looks like a battered spouse going back for forgiveness.
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Did the Apostafest happen?
by Biahi indid flipper host the apostafest, or was it cancelled due to covid 19?.
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It was cancelled. The one in Indy is still on for August.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Call me when this works for people on the regular and they don't end up shunned. The rest is just noise. Watchtower doesn't care about your rights which is why I referred to them as a loophole earlier. It is to Watchtower. The results will be the same even if they have to pivot and just use some other way to label you like saying you disassociated by your actions. Same outcome. People are shunned by them that have never even officially left. I don't see what this does other than provide false hope to people.
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Just wanting confirmation on an unofficial JW experience
by joe134cd injust wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this unofficial jw experience that my father received by email.
i’ve told him that it against wt rules to forward unofficial accounts.
but of course he just puts that down to apostate driven lies.
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dubstepped
Narcissists. They think their delusion is the center of everything going on in the world. Everyone either loves or hates them, meanwhile few actually care about them on any level. But they're the heroes of their own fantasy lives, and that's enough for them.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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People are always looking for some legal loophole to get out without repercussions. This strikes me as just another in the series. JWs don't often care. Sure, you can find an outlier where a legal threat will scare some elder but most don't care, and I've yet to see any evidence of legal recourse being won if they go on to disfellowship you. You joined a club called Jehovah's Witnesses and they'll do what they want in most cases. They don't care about legal technicalities.
Disassociate if you want, fade if you want, try this legal technicality if you want, get disfellowshipped if you want. It's your life.
Leaving is one of the more personal things a person can do. Your decision should be too. It's one of your first opportunities to start living life on your terms, whatever that looks like. Getting out is the most important thing. Go be free and happy.
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Old Literature
by RolRod inwhat did you do with your jw literature when you left?
kept it, sold it or dumped it?
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Sorry DOC, tried burning some of it and it didn't burn well, lol. I think it has demons. I trashed it so nobody else would stumble on it. -
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Food Boxes given out by Society
by JustChillin inanyone else get a food box delivered by local congregation to your door - allegedly by the society?
weird.
i looked online and found a couple of youtube channels saying the society is taking food from food banks and giving it only to their congregations.
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@road to nowhere: Did they actually say that it was from Farm to Family specifically?
I've known about this for some time because someone I coach received a couple boxes very early on. Seems like it was more on the west coast in reaching out to people to learn more. California especially, but maybe also New York state.
I actually reached out to the USDA directly and they let me know that the JWs weren't getting it from them directly, but may be from one of their distributors. I dug deeper and got the list of their distributors but nothing tipped off the JWs there. I'd have to call each distributor and ask and they have no reason to tell me so I kind of saw it as a dead end.
But yes, that seems to be the likely place they're getting it from. I know for a fact that it's not necessarily going to needy people. The person I work with has been faded for decades and doesn't need food for the needy but they kept pushing it on her, probably trying to get her to come back. They used it to start asking for her email address and stuff.
In most cases I've heard JWs have said that Watchtower had a deal with local farmers to help out, no reference to Farm to Families. I've heard rumors that some received a letter basically telling them to keep it on the down low if they wanted to keep getting it. I've not received a copy of such letter though. -
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How Could We Have Been So Heartless?
by BluesBrother ini am addressing here those who, like me, spent decades in the organisation that we called “the truth”.
perhaps like me you were brought up in it from an early age.
looking back now i wonder that i could have been so heartless as to believe that the mass slaughter of billions of people was “good news”.
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dubstepped
The dehumanizing and othering of worldly people made it easy to stand at their doors and talk about how we'd like to live in their house after Armageddon. Once you dehumanize and detach from others it's easy to no longer be able to take the perspective of another. The JW community is full of people that lack empathy. We were deadened to our own feelings, often self flagellating, and the same was projected outward.
The organization is narcissistic. Most either adopt those traits or end up codependent and serving the organization to find an identity. Either way we were consumed with ourselves as JWs or concerned with getting approval from other JWs and the big J himself.
So we didn't often have much chance to have a heart. We were made callous to feelings other than things like fear, for the most part. We were isolated from others and our true selves.