That guy makes me sick. Notice his flat affect. He has to have some sort of mental disorder. Jesus wouldn't have been good enough for him. He waited far too long to get baptized. And yes, getting baptized is what counts, not dedication. It's all about that outward symbol. Nobody really cares what's in your heart.
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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again
by Watchtower-Free inthis is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.
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Last Man on Earth
by rebel8 inanyone else watching this show?
i'm fascinated by it.
i have often thought about what it would be like if most people were gone.
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Love the show. The main character has the same timing and fortune that I had for many years. Then again, he also gets what he deserves often, so what's that say about me, lol. -
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I found something useful the Witnesses do for society.
by adjusted knowledge ini'm currently working at a rehab facility.
it also has assisted living, long term care, and hospice.
the facility allows churches to sign up for planned activities.
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Seeing as how I'm not about to go do what they're doing, I can't really knock them for it. It is easy to point to their need for time, or maybe it just makes them feel good. Even the most generous volunteer usually has some selfish motive, something in it for themselves, so in this instance I actually think it is nice. They could easily be going door to door and pretend to knock while chatting up their service partner and instead they're actually making an effort to provide entertainment for some people that probably need it. I say good for them. Even if it pads numbers like Bible studies or whatever, they could be driving aimlessly or dropping off laundry to pad numbers, and this actually does do something for other people. -
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JW Elder Promoting His Business on YouTube
by Samuel inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doizc34ilso.
the person appearing in this video was the presiding overseer of a congregation in which i was serving.
i had served in a lot of congregations over the years and had seen a lot of crazy goings on, but this particular elder was high up on the "crazy list".
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IMO, leaving any comments or taking shots at him in his business realm just makes apostates look crazy and vindictive. None of us knows the guy and anything we hear is one person's account. For any of us to mess with him just seems wrong. With that said, my goodness is that guy boring. Aren't there any videos of paint drying that we could post? -
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Anybody have any experience with this?
by stillin inan elderly sister passed away recently.
family came to her memorial service from all over the country.
some of them, including grown-up, disfellowshipped children of hers, also came.
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dubstepped
Ain't no shunning like a J-dub shunning cuz a J-dub shunning don't stop....
Just another example of the organization that knows it is the Truth because it is identified by its love. Conditional, oppressive, opportunist, manipulative love. Isn't that what the Bible says? Love hopes all things unless you're shunned, endures all things except of course if you change your beliefs, believes all things (except believing in you), and never fails to judge and become masters over your faith.
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HELP - A Guide to Fade
by cognitivedizzy inhey everybody, been here lurking for years now... i tired of all the gb 2.0 shit and need to fade successfullydo we have a guide, i am very tempted to go out with a bang, but i want my wife with me, she aint a strong witness and would happily trust me ... i love her a lot.
status as of now,,, read coc isocf, been through jw facts and am convinced this religion is bs, also a ms now :( damn.
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If this thread isn't indicative of what the religion has become, I don't know what is. People have to move, hide, manipulate, etc. just to walk away quietly. Nobody is trying to hurt anybody by walking away. Much the opposite, in fact. But they are so insistent that you think and feel exactly like their narrow view that to differ on any one thing threatens everything and you must be dealt with. Not loved, noy accepted, but dealt with, handled, adjusted, or punished.
Let's review.........
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I may have a friend
by Defianttruth inokay, i am almost forty and outside of my wife i haven't had a friend in decades.
sure i have tons of people with whom i am friendly towards, but they all share something to do with work or business.
i remember thinking last year i had no one who called just to talk.
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Good for you! I could have written something similar. No friends here either. Lots of people to chat with at work, lots of people know who I am, people have come to me for help, but nobody calls me unless they want something. Especially in the org. Nobody there ever cared at all. I've always had evil worldly people invite me to things and always turned them down. Missed a lot of chances to connect with other human beings that way. Now it is my turn to invite evil worldly people to do something because they might say yes. And by the way, if it is love by which you can identify the true religion, those evil worldy people beat the pants off the JWs in showing it. The ONLY people to have reached out to me are not JWs and never have been. It's a shame that I always rejected their care because of what I was taught. Maybe someday I can make a similar post. Best wishes on the bromance! Hopefully it can be a LTR (long term relationship) that gives to you instead of just taking. -
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The JW Family
by dubstepped inmaybe this is a bit obtuse, but see if you can follow me here and maybe throw in your own views.
as i see it, the organization as a whole is a family, and like most, it is dysfunctional.
you have the parents in those taking the lead (gb, elders, overseers, etc.
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Hi Jan, thanks for the nice words. I agree, and I once was a very black and white thinker. I delved into lots of books on perfectionism, and I try to escape the right and wrong issues more as time goes by and find that I'm happier. I feel you on it though, even as I'm much more into gray than black and white. Different strokes for different folks, as they say. -
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The JW Family
by dubstepped inmaybe this is a bit obtuse, but see if you can follow me here and maybe throw in your own views.
as i see it, the organization as a whole is a family, and like most, it is dysfunctional.
you have the parents in those taking the lead (gb, elders, overseers, etc.
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Loved your post too confuzzled. Witness "residue" sounds dirty, lol. It is so true though. Look around here at all of the people still talking dub. It sticks with you one way or another. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. If people were apathetic they wouldn't be here, so they care on some level, even if it's just hate. Many want to save loved ones. You can take the person out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the person. Certain experiences just become part of you in a way that others don't.
Sorry you're stuck too in that way.
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The JW Family
by dubstepped inmaybe this is a bit obtuse, but see if you can follow me here and maybe throw in your own views.
as i see it, the organization as a whole is a family, and like most, it is dysfunctional.
you have the parents in those taking the lead (gb, elders, overseers, etc.
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dubstepped
Hi Jan,
I do still hold on to some of the teachings that I learned. I personally agree with many teachings even though there are many that I don't agree with. I don't think that I'm mentally "in" simply for not throwing out the baby with the bath water. It does happen to be a place that formed a lot of my neural pathways and therefore is a part of me that I will have with me. Honestly I don't want to be labeled a JW or Baptist or Buddhist or whatever. I just want to be me. Just ol' dubstepped walking through this world, picking and grazing on truths wherever they can be found. Of course I feel that truth can be found elsewhere. That's why I said that there's truth to be found around in lots of places. Nobody owns the trademark on the truth, even though JW's claim it for their own, which pisses me off. So there's some truths to be found in other religions, in philosophy, science, psychology, life experiences, just stepping out my door this morning I may learn something or adjust a mindset.
I haven't stayed. I've walked away quietly (well, maybe not that quietly either). I don't have to hate everything that I grew up with or deny truths that I still do believe in to walk away. Same with my Smith family. They taught me some values that still serve me even if they also taught me a bunch of bs. I can hold in one hand that JW's have some truth, and in the other that (insert name of religion here) has some. I can hold in one hand that I'm hurt by the organization and have bad feelings toward them, but hold in the other that this or that does make sense to me. It isn't an all or nothing proposition.
I'm not mentally "in", nor am I mentally "out". I'm mentally picking and choosing what to take and what to leave behind. I'm trying not to allow my emotions to dictate my intellect, or vice versa. I'm trying to allow for myself to be hurt and angry and at the same time to appreciate what I can. That allows me not to be swallowed up by bitterness. Much of life is perspective and the ability to choose to focus on the positive, the negative, or to try to have some of both. I don't like just seeing one side of a coin. It seems unfair. I realize that my path may not be for everyone, and that's fine, as I'm me. Mentally, I'm just me. Emotionally I'm just me. For the first time in my life I'm allowing myself to drop the ego and the rigidity and to be authentically me. Unfortunately my last name puts a label on me for some, as does my agreement with some JW teachings that would allow people to label me as a JW that is "in". I get tired of labels. I'm just me, no matter what labels people need to use to define me. So if you wish to label me a JW that is "in" or "staying" despite my actions and acknowledgements to the contrary, that doesn't affect who I am so that's cool. I hope to be understood but don't expect most to do so because it seems like everything is binary and it once was for me too. In or out, JW or not, male or female, hetero or homo, black or white. I just kind of see it all now as one big pool of humanity that is constantly morphing and fluid. I can take from here and there and try to build something that makes sense for me and constantly strive to learn and change as I grow older.
Thanks for giving me a chance to explain where I am. I have no desire to get into the scriptural tennis match and don't intend to. Maybe this makes sense to you, maybe not. I also appreciate you sharing why you feel as you do toward the WT. I can understand why you would feel as such. If you can't understand why I feel as I do, I don't know what else I can say, but thanks for trying.
Peace.