I hate them and their message of Christian guilt. Eff 'em. That passive aggressive message, taken to heart by conscientious people like me back then, leads to depression and anxiety when you can't find the promised joy in living as they tell you to. To say that's how God wants it and how he designed us to live is pure assholery designed to manipulate people into serving the organization. If you're not happy leaving for them then something must be wrong with you. Manipulative self-serving narcissistic controlling jerks, the whole lot of them.
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Today's watchtower: obey us, no matter what
by Tornintwo intoday's watchtower:.
obey us, obey us even when it seems strange, obeying our man made hierarchy equates to obeying god, sacrifice your own interests, work for us, don't be independent, put your own interests aside, obey some more, preach for us, build for us, enjoy it, obey some more, forgive when we are jerks to you and mistreat you, accept your changed assignment even if it seems cruel and doesn't make sense, don't complain if we move you (eg.
) because you might have to move in the new world, remember you are being trained to obey, remember to put your own interests aside, that's the way we are designed to live - it will only make you happy!
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Did an EX-JW wake you up to TTATT or did you put the effort to wake up yourself?
by John Aquila inhow many of us were woken up by some apostate yelling false prophets at a convention?.
how many of us were woken up by someone holding a sign and yelling, what happened to 1975.
how many of us were coerced to investigate the wt because some ex-jw pulled up a bunch of old watchtowers magazines and told us to read the false predictions?.
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I don't think it gives us ideas on how to help people wake up, but instead if it is up to us to wake up on our own like I did and many others, it shows that we can't help more often than not. It has to be time for most people go make any change in life. They have to individually get to those circumstances. For me, it took years to be ready as the cult held me down for so long I had to get healthy in many ways to even see how unhealthy the cult was. Had people tried to get me to leave earlier I would have just dug my heels in deeper and it would have delayed my freedom. Life and time have a way of taking us down a path to escape if we're open minded. You can't force that.
The thing that helped me was to get new perspectives on things through books on non-religious subjects. Lots of self-help and psychological books really helped. I didn't know what I didn't know.
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How many of us are 'perfectionists'?
by FayeDunaway ini made a medium level mistake at work today, and when i make mistakes it really shakes me up and takes me a long time to recover.
it completely rattles me, makes me feel awful about myself.
my mind keeps going back to the mistake reliving how i could have let it happen.
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*raises hand*
My name is Mike, and I'm a perfectionist. I happen to have many years in recovery though. It is certainly something that exists within the population in general, and it is thought that there's a genetic component in some cases. With that said, how could we not be? If we are conscientious people raised in a cult that preached perfection, devoid of any allowance for the human condition, we didn't stand a chance. I almost committed suicide because I couldn't meet the standards set before me through the cult. I'm glad to have now found happiness instead of the pursuit of perfection.
I highly recommend the book "Happier" by Tal Ben-Shahar for my fellow sufferers. It was instrumental in a turning point for me.
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My mom passed away yesterday....
by minimus inthank you all for your sincere encouragement during these last few weeks.
finally, she is at peace.
i was with her , holding her hand when she died.
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This is for all JW's out there...
by Divergent in.
sorry to be so blunt, but you only have yourself to blame if you realize something is wrong but allow your cognitive dissonance to kick in.
if you are confronted with facts which are reported by reliable sources which are hard to dispute and deny, and you choose to dismiss these as "apostate lies" rather than looking at these from an objective point of view, it's your fault and you deserve the consequences of willful ignorance!.
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Harshness puts people in a defensive position and the outcome is typically the opposite of that which is desired. Blaming and shaming only serves to push people down instead of offering them a hand up. If you shame someone they will feel like a bad person, and bad people don't have the energy to stand up and change their lives. The only thing you'll typically trigger is a depressive response, nothing that empowers anyone. -
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This is for all JW's out there...
by Divergent in.
sorry to be so blunt, but you only have yourself to blame if you realize something is wrong but allow your cognitive dissonance to kick in.
if you are confronted with facts which are reported by reliable sources which are hard to dispute and deny, and you choose to dismiss these as "apostate lies" rather than looking at these from an objective point of view, it's your fault and you deserve the consequences of willful ignorance!.
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I could build a house, but I'm lacking certain knowledge and tools. Eventually I might be able to get there, just like any victim of abuse. I battled dissonance for a long time until I was eventually given time to develop the tools to get free. Seeing something wrong and being able to do something about it are two different things. The meme or whatever in the OP is straight up ignorant. -
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This is for all JW's out there...
by Divergent in.
sorry to be so blunt, but you only have yourself to blame if you realize something is wrong but allow your cognitive dissonance to kick in.
if you are confronted with facts which are reported by reliable sources which are hard to dispute and deny, and you choose to dismiss these as "apostate lies" rather than looking at these from an objective point of view, it's your fault and you deserve the consequences of willful ignorance!.
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dubstepped
Couldn't the OP just as easily read:
To all the battered wives out there, if you allow your weak azz to stay in a marriage with a spouse that beats the crap out of you, you get what you deserve. It's your choice to stay so you deserve the consequences of your pathetic choices.
Victim blaming is sooooo cool. Compassion is so overrated. Smdh.
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I got up yesterday morning (Saturday) and enjoyed the watchtower work
by Zoos inreaching the fire watchtower on top of wayah bald overlooking the smokey mountains can be a difficult hike from nantahala lake up the bartram and appalachian trails where they straddle each other passing through this area.
the most enjoyable watchtower work i've ever participated in.. the views from the tower are spectacular.. .
looking across nantahala forest to the smoky mountains, described poetically as the most elevated peak; from whence i beheld with rapture and astonishment, a sublimely awful scene of power and magnificence, a world of mountains piled upon mountains.
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Beautiful! My wife and I went hiking and even zip lined for the first time in the Nantahala a few years back. I'd love to go back, though we also have our eyes set on Grandfather Mountain. Thanks for the share. -
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heartbroken and not sure what to do...
by Khaleesi ini don't know what to do.... i married last year and things have been very rocky.
we dated for 4 years and did have normal issues but always had a lingering doubt something was just not right in our relationship-behavior to be more specific, he is not a jw, but i am.
yes i know i married outside the "lord" but after my first marriage to a jw ended in divorce for physical abuse, i was glad i didn't married another jw.
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You ladies are great at reading into why men might turn you down. And there's a difference between turning something down and rejecting it. I might turn down an opportunity to go out with friends if I'm tired, or maybe depressed, but it doesn't mean I'm rejecting them as friends. It means I'm tired or depressed. My friends wouldn't take it as rejection if they knew me and that I battled depression or anxiety or whatever. You're taking it all too personally. I did the same and the path I tool of blaming my wife caused scars that are still there over a decade later. You're not the only one in a vulnerable position here.
I would also ask why sex is like water to you? Do you just naturally have a high drive (some do), or are you using it to fill a hole in you (pun intended)? Most people don't require 3-4 times weekly. It has been shown that statistically you may be more active now than the average. Could it be that actually you're the one with the problem? Something to think about. I found out that many of our issues early on had to do with me, and I put it all on her.
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There Have Been So Many Changes Lately!
by disillusioned 2 inthese words were spoken yesterday by my 85 year old mum.
she told me they had a special letter read out on sunday read by one of the governing body telling them they were stopping the ministry school.
i feigned surprise.
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@Dwain - Do they still give TMS style counsel on the demos? It seemed like they were on the Bible reading, but not on the demos. I don't know though and wondered how they made use of the TMS book now.