Awesome, good for you for sticking to your principles. Shame on her. What would Jehovah think, lol. Isn't that just like a jdub though, they get to determine what's right and wrong at their discretion for everyone.
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Update on MIL shunning
by BeautifulMind inhello on this beautiful sunday!
just a quick little update to the post i made a few months ago about my mil shunning us.
quick recap: during a convo after she attended the rc and was going on and on about how powerful it was and how great the videos were, blah, blah, blah...i couldn't take it anymore and told her that's not our lives anymore and i didn't want to hear anymore about it and to please respect that and move on to something else to talk about.
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Shunning & separation from family
by CJxfarmx ini was raised in jw as a child.
my dad was a jw my mom was not, they are divorced now.
i was never baptized or anything but i stopped going once i had the choice at age 12. now i am 41 and my dad will not associate with me, my wife or my 3 kids.
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dubstepped
Your father sounds like what I call a JW extremist. They are very black and white thinkers. Both my family and that of my wife fall into that category . We actually were JWs, and we were shunned before we ever officially left for going to see my disfellowshipped brother one time after over a decade of shunning him. You can do all the right things , slip up once in their eyes, and be instantly dead to them.
I'm sorry for your loss, though really it's his. You have a family, he has a cult.
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The Academy of Ideas - "Brainwashing"
by schnell inhttps://youtu.be/8ish2un-b-s. the academy of ideas has got to be one of my favorite youtube channels, and due to his subject matter, he doesn't get a whole lot of views.
but do give his playlists a watch.
above, his video on brainwashing is clearly relevant to this forum about jehovah's witnesses.
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dubstepped
Thanks man, going to bookmark these and check them out when I have time .
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It's been quite a year. Finally can move forward.
by Darkknight757 inlooking back at this journey that my wife and i took this last year has been quite life changing.
who would have ever thought that two watchtower drones would experience an awakening after child loss?
we can finally move forward since coming out to our family that we will no longer be jehovah's witnesses.
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dubstepped
Man, I f^$#ing LOVE this, especially the part about your wife coming alive again. Somehow I missed the child loss in your story over time, and I'm so sorry. But that part about friends noticing the change in your wife's demeanor hit me. We had many clients say the same about us, especially my wife, and that was so validating. Freedom is a beauriful thing, isn't it. That feeling of lightness, like the weight of the world was removed from your shoulders.
My wife and I are so happy for you both. Freedom is never free. There's a cost. I can tell you that it hurts sometimes, but it's worth everything. Beautiful stuff man.
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@stillin - Sounds like the CO was intimating that voting was an automatic disassociation offense, much like joining the military. That's one way for them to weasel out.
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2016 death of my father who told me don't come back if your a Witness...still hurts my soul! Warning you all!!
by Witness 007 ini last spoke to my father in march 1990. we finished a "quick build" kingdom hall and i had a 17 year old spiritual awakening and decided to drop high school to pioneer full time.
(yes i was a dumb ass) he was not happy since my parents were divorced he was catholic.
we had a arguement and he said stay in school get a degree...and dont come back if your a witness!!
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dubstepped
Forgiveness is giving up the hope that the past could have been different. That one sentence helped me tremendously in many areas of life. You, at the time, were doing your personal best. So was your father. It didn't work out. Let it be. You aren't some horrible son. Have compassion for yourself as victim of a cult as well.
I'm sorry it didn't work out in the best way, there are people estranged from their families for all kinds of reasons. My dad died in April, spending the last year of his life shunning me after I left the dubs. We never had a great relationship. I tried very hard and he pissed on it all in the end. I took him fishing, to baseball, games, on trips, all of the things I could do to foster a relationship with him because he was never interested in one when I was a kid and I wanted one desperately. In the end he threw it all away. But I also realize that his parents were very messed up and unfortunately hurt people end up hurting other people. I had a lot of issues around all of that. Back to that first sentence though, forgiveness is giving up hope that it could have been different. He was doing the best he could with the tools he had and the damage that lived within him. You were doing your best. Your dad did his. It is unfair to ask for more.
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"Keep in touch as a family." He said.
by Darkknight757 inwell today was the big day.
we finally let the cat out of the bag to the in-laws about watchtower.
previously there were unknown rumors being spread about me and today i found out why the wife and i are being shunned.
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dubstepped
I'm with Millie, I think that they were basically telling you that you're shunned but if family matters need to be discussed they'll be there for it.
My dad, an elder, couldn't answer me either. We never really talked, but one time he, for the first and last time ever, called me on the phone and ranted at me over Biblical stuff. I could name scriptures for my position, he could only say "do you believe in the Bible or not" and was terrible at that whole "make a defense before everyone that demands it of you" thing.
I'm glad that you get to just be who you are now. Bad things hide in the dark, once exposed to the light you can just move on. There may be negative consequences, and I'm sorry that you all will undoubtedly face some, but honestly they're for the best even if they don't feel like it at the time. Toxic people aren't good for you.
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jehovas witnesses.. evil ??
by hail Mary inhi why did one of your kind rob my child off me n is currently ruining their life telling them what to say so the court has to take extreme measures for my child to see me???
they're even happy to drag her to the doctor and brand her as mentally ill wholst promoting her conflicted n confused feelings instead of accepting im her mother.. im not a jehovas witness but a good person and a christian my dads an anglican priest im a law abiding good and good natured citizen yet they are messing up her head telling her to say she doesn't want to see,me as court has intervened saying she has to ?
her dad abandoned me pregnant and many years his junior.
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By the way, we aren't JWs here, in case you missed it. You're still ranting as if we were. We are ex-JWs, victims of the cult ourselves.
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jehovas witnesses.. evil ??
by hail Mary inhi why did one of your kind rob my child off me n is currently ruining their life telling them what to say so the court has to take extreme measures for my child to see me???
they're even happy to drag her to the doctor and brand her as mentally ill wholst promoting her conflicted n confused feelings instead of accepting im her mother.. im not a jehovas witness but a good person and a christian my dads an anglican priest im a law abiding good and good natured citizen yet they are messing up her head telling her to say she doesn't want to see,me as court has intervened saying she has to ?
her dad abandoned me pregnant and many years his junior.
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dubstepped
We can only tell you our perspective . You can't make your daughter believe differently. You can't make unreasonable ex family fight fair. We don't know situation, just what little you've told us, and only one side of the story. Kids end up estranged from parents for all kinds of reasons, this just being one. Many times exes poison the minds of children against the other parent or side of the family.
I'd tell you that desperation and frenzy won't serve you well. A good attorney might. Ultimately though if your daughter has been poisoned against you, the only thing you can probably do is to love her and be a great example for her and hope she sees the difference between you and them over time. You can't make people believe what they don't want to believe.
Don't attack her religion in front of her. You will only put her on the defensive side and raise her shields. She'll dig in deeper.
There are JWs that play fair about kids in this scenario. Others are assholes, but you can't even always blame that on the religion. It sounds like you're up against not just a dysfunctional cult, but a dysfunctional family on the other side too. I'm not sure there's a magic bullet here. Get legal counsel, maybe a child psycholgist of some sort could help.
I'm sure others will be along to help. The more information, not emotion, you put out the more chance maybe someone sees something that sparks a thought or experience that could help. I understand why you're devastated and I would be too. Again, I'm sorry you're dealing with them on both the JW level and the messed up family one.
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jehovas witnesses.. evil ??
by hail Mary inhi why did one of your kind rob my child off me n is currently ruining their life telling them what to say so the court has to take extreme measures for my child to see me???
they're even happy to drag her to the doctor and brand her as mentally ill wholst promoting her conflicted n confused feelings instead of accepting im her mother.. im not a jehovas witness but a good person and a christian my dads an anglican priest im a law abiding good and good natured citizen yet they are messing up her head telling her to say she doesn't want to see,me as court has intervened saying she has to ?
her dad abandoned me pregnant and many years his junior.
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dubstepped
You had me at "insane brainwashing narcissists ". Believe me, you aren't alone. The JWs currently hold many of our families inside their evil cult. We are the ones that made it out. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with them. You nailed religion in just three words . I wish I had never been captive to it myself. Just realize that your child isn't herself, she's under their spell, and hope that in time she wakes up like the rest of us here .