Sounds to me, that if they recommend counseling, shelter, or crisis center, the abused women might be educated about her enabling religious community. Me seems to think the is a CUUULLLLLTTTTT!!!!!
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Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick
by MrMoe ini will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.
november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.
at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?
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Erica's Ritzville Trial Results
by silentlambs inwell i hope this is the last chapter regarding the ritzville trial of manuel beliz.
perhaps he now can become a statistic in the roles of sex offenders who go to jail for their crimes.
as you may recall in the first hearing things were much different and intimidating to erica and her family.
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Hi Bill,
I am so glad the trial turned out with the pervert going to prison. God bless Erica and her family. You know, Bill, as I read your account of the trial it was difficult because it all is just too similar to the case that is pending on our issue. When you mentioned the part about Erica becoming emotional and crying it brought back flash backs of our own daughter's trial in 1999 and how brutally the criminal lawyer protecting her molester, her grandfather, was not only on her, my other children, me and my husband. I left that trial with server Post Traumatic Sress Disorder and am still dealing with the horrible pictures of all the years we fought the Watchtower Society on all the issues. Like Erica's parents, we too are unable to view baby pictures, and pictures of our daughter growing up because all those years until she was 12 he threatened her into submission and secrecy, leaving us with not clues other than the clingyness, and frequent hospitalizations with asthma, and school problems. Family members who turned against us, and actually, on court record calling our child "demonized". I am getting palpitations just thinking about it. The lawyer for my daughter's molester, did everything to sway the jury into believing "he was a nice guy, good Christian, supported by an elders who where his family members who blamed her instead. We were also named as negligent parents becuase we should not have allowed our daughter's grandparents to babysit her. Elders claimed ecclesiastical privlege to protect him, and not devulge information about the countless other victims, some who testified at the trial. That is being appealed also. I wish the Watchtower Society would be held accountable for all the pain it caused me and my family during a time we had been so devout and the utmost trust in them to tell the truth. But they wouldn't, in fact allowed elders to hide the truth and actually lie. I wanted to be at the trial for Erica, but it is just too painful and too much like what we recently went through and are still going through. She is fortunate to have you Bill, advocating for her, and the coverage from Dateline. I am not suprised to hear the supporters of Beliz signed a book. They are cowards that want to remain hidden. Again thankyou for all you are doing in behalf of children who have suffered such degradation and their families who have come under Watchtower brand of labeling as "Apostate" for speaking out, and deserving of shunning, while in fact embracing the perpetrator going door to door. -
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My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"
by Ranchette inwell, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.
i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.
i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.
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Hi Tina, and Ranchette, I agree with you Tina. Although I became a JW at 19 in the early 70's, and my parents were never JW's, I have applied the same situation to my father, who sends terrible letters to me over the internet. In therapy, I learned that to answer them and even open the e-mail is to allow him to engage me emotionally. I have since sent his e-mail back unopened. I have also told him I will no longer read anything he sends me. If he has anything to say he may call me personally on the phone. I have never heard from him. His e-mails are psychological attacks and nothing good can come to me if I read them. He just has his twisted sayings and invites me to a pointless continual dialogue. It is empowering to not open the e-mail. I have since learned from therapy that my pain of wanting the WT religion to be a loving, protecting, moral and spiritual "parent" was my need at 19 for that kind of structure. I ended up choosing a religion that mirrored the crazyiness in my own household growing up. I think that when we look at our own childhood and how we were raised, we can then realize what is "healthy parenting" and "healthy religious experience" and see what is totally unhealthy and disfuncitonal. I look back on this and find myself realizing that I, like all other JW converts, come into the WT with a core personality, that develops layers of the JW personality. Leaving the WT, has been and ongoing peeling of those layers, and I find myself feeling more like the person I was as far as viewing the world, and holidays and such. Yet my children are cradle JW's who have left the Borg, with my husband and I, and they, even though they have left, have no "worldly" layers to balance the cult teachings. I often wonder how they are dealing with all this WTC. Even though I never raised them to fear through threats of death and destruction in a verbal way, I know the liftime of regular meeting attendance put it in their minds and this is part of thier "core". I worry about that. My therapist assures me we broke the cycle and that it may take thier children to completely end the emotional effects of the WT. The best you and I can do Rachette, I guess is continually be healthy in raising our children without those horrible controls, and protect them from the kinds of remarks from well meaning JW family members that is so unhealthy. By leaving and joining the human race, we show our children that we are emotionally and spiritually healthy enough to recognize all kinds of abuse. And as my therapist has stated, they will follow. I hope this helps.
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My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"
by Ranchette inwell, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.
i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.
i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.
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JT, I always used to refer to the Theocratic Ministry School and Service Meetings as the "Tuesday nite Sales Meeting". I was interesting that this perception is also shared by others. It is true that the members are worth no more to WT the same as any sales pyramid organization if they are no longer peddling the product. And those of us who have left are a "danger" to them because we expose them for what they really are.
Ranchette, your mom is only worth her statistics that she can publish for this publishing corporation. That is why she is called a publisher. She sells, the goods, pithches the sales pitch, reports her statistics, and has company loyalty. She has placed all her emotional assets into this corporation. It is sad. It is also sad that your dad has chosen to go back to her to save himself rather than because he truly loves her. They sell themselves short while they sell for this WT corporation. -
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THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail
by Tallyman inhow many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .
charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.
during world war i ?.
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Hi Tally, I agree with you they deserve to go to jail, but I wouldn[t want to see them be go to jail, because it would fire up the R&F to believe they were under persecution and "objects of hatred" on account of his name. I really think I would like the News Media to get a hold of the pictures you posted on the DB. Those pictures of thought control pictures of hate towards the world. They picture a JW type of Bin Laden Holy War with God killing everyone and them smiling as he does it. That is dangerous, David Koresh type teaching to children and terribly damaging emotionially. The News media is ripe for this kind of thinking now. WT Haaaates publicity that exposes them in a negative way that inteferes with their magazine placement. Hit them where the money is. Magazine placements. Bible studies and recruitment of more door to door salesman. If the GB goes to jail, the R&F will be hitting the territories like no tomorrow. My opinion, show the pictures to CNN, Dateline, ABC, and make posters.
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My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"
by Ranchette inwell, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.
i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.
i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.
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Hi Ranchette,
When I came home today I heard the news from my husband about the letter from your mom. The harsh words she wrote to you were so like the letters I have been recieving from "friends" who have the WT brand of "love". Really, they are more literally like death threats. Her lanquage to you was so passive agressively abusive, and manipulative, and even emotionally perpetrative. Be glad that you have freed your son from the type of "killing" the Watchtower teaches when it comes to those of us who want to escape from it. The "body bag" illustration was not the words of a grandmother who loves her grandchild in a natural way, and her hits on you and your husband were not the way a mother loves her adult children in natural way. The WT's twisted interpretations have taught the members to have "no natural affection" for one another nor their own children and family members. The teaching that all outside are worthy of destruction at the hands of THEIR GOD is no different then the fundamentalist terrorist Bin Laden. Today I was thinking that all my former friends are basically saying the same thing your mom is, and that they don't fight in wars because they have beaten their swords into plowshears already. But you can bet your butt that when those aircraft carriers fly over (I live near McGuire Airforce Base) they must be glad that protection is given to them so that not more terrorist planes can dive into thier childrens schools. They are enjoying the protection of the superior authorities that God has appointed to be a minister of vengeance against those doing wrong. JW's pride themselves by not lifting up sword against fellow believers all around the world. Well Christians all around the world may not all be law abiding citizens. If a Christian kills another Christian, or a Jew kills another Jew, or if a Catholic, kills another Catholic, and even a JW kills another JW, or for that matter blows up a building and kills countless other people, men, women, and children, then THE SUPERIOR AUTHORITEIES which stand in their relative positions as God's means of justice against those doing wrong, are divinely appointed to punish the criminal or criminals. The WT is twisting scripture. The act at the World Trade Center, was immoral, criminal, unjust, unChristian, unIslam and unEvery other peace loving, Godly way of thinking and worshipping. Who are the JW's to dare say that the prayers going up to God by the Presidant, and all Americans, asking him for help, direction, and wisdom in fighting this enemy tha attacked us in such an unGodly, even demonic way, who is WT to say that God won't use the nations to punish this murderous Terrorist and those who harbor him. Just like the WT harbors pedophiles, and will be judged by the superior authorities for criminal behavior. Your mother forgets that is how God has always operated according to the Bible. Yes, hug your little son and be glad you are a protective good mother breaking the cycle of religious abuse. Let her know you do love her but set your boundary with her and let her know you will not allow her to emotionally black mail you with threats of doom to you and your children, and therefore will no longer accept mail from her. If she wants to talk to you in person, you would love to talk with her but not over her religious view. If she refuses to do that than she is the one who has no natural affection, not you. You might also remind her that her fear of you turning her in is something that is inculcated into JW's, and that THEY are the ones who are more likely to deliver each other up since that is what comes naturally to them which is so unnatural. Stay strong and keep your chin up Ranchette, you are doing fine. If Armeggedon were to come tomorrow, it would be as Jesus said, a totally individual thing. How we treat one another, and all humanity the best way we can, in whatever country we are in, and under any circustance we are in is going to be how we are going to stand before our Maker. Human kindness and compassion for one another is all we should be doing on our journey in this life, because unlike the JW's living their life waiting not to die is living a selfish life. It is very humbling to accect that someday we all will die and end up in a "body bag". Allow yourself to live each day to the fullest enjoying what the Creator meant you to enjoy while being the best with the abilities you were born with, practicing good will towards All people. Take Care Ranchette. -
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Telethon for WTC
by ARoarer inhow beautiful the music combined with this all consuming collective grief we all feel in behalf of those who experienced tragedy on sept 11 in nyc.
i am moved at the heart and feel the pain that is being expressed here tonight via television.
humanity at it's highest level is being displayed through one another and the cries go up to heaven through the music and the words and the stories of the victims.
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Hi Ranchette, I agree.
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Telethon for WTC
by ARoarer inhow beautiful the music combined with this all consuming collective grief we all feel in behalf of those who experienced tragedy on sept 11 in nyc.
i am moved at the heart and feel the pain that is being expressed here tonight via television.
humanity at it's highest level is being displayed through one another and the cries go up to heaven through the music and the words and the stories of the victims.
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I hear what you are saying but I am also under the impression that this is also in behalf of those who lost their lives and for the families that were left suffering this tragedy. I know this is being broadcast internationally and it is focusing on the whole issue, including the children who are suffering from predjiduce attacks at school because of being of Middle Eastern race. This telethon is raising money but also raising awareness of what actually happened, the emotions behind what happened, and also a spiritual cry to God through their music. I think it's awsome.
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HELP - Trip to New York City next month...
by Billygoat inhey all!.
i've been planning a surprise trip to nyc for my boyfriend neil for several months now and i've just told him about it.
(it will be our year anniversary the weekend we go.
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Hi Andi, happy 1 year anniversary. What a wonderful idea to spend it in the City. We were watching the news this morning and the Mayor was asking people to come to New York and spend money to get the economy back on it's feet again. He mentioned it would be a good time to visit because of the lack of crowdedness. So this weekend is our anniversary. 29 glorious years of marital bliss!! My husband made reservations for next weekend and we will be staying at the Essex Hotel. It is a little expensive, but we will have a beautiful view of Central Park, and the Theater district is close to there. We live an hour away and will take the Ferry over from Hoboken. I am really excited. I hope you have a wonderful time.
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Telethon for WTC
by ARoarer inhow beautiful the music combined with this all consuming collective grief we all feel in behalf of those who experienced tragedy on sept 11 in nyc.
i am moved at the heart and feel the pain that is being expressed here tonight via television.
humanity at it's highest level is being displayed through one another and the cries go up to heaven through the music and the words and the stories of the victims.
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How beautiful the music combined with this all consuming collective grief we all feel in behalf of those who experienced tragedy on Sept 11 in NYC. I am moved at the heart and feel the pain that is being expressed here tonight via television. Humanity at it's highest level is being displayed through one another and the cries go up to heaven through the music and the words and the stories of the victims. I am ashamed that I turned my back on all of this as a JW all these years, and yes today I am very proud to be an American, and simply a human being reaching out to other human beings at this time. Peace to all here on this DB.