Elders are not cruel until you question and stand up for what your conscience believes to be wrong when it comes to the WT brand of loyalty. That is when the seemingly "not all elders are cruel, and not all congregations harbor pedophiles." Every elder is expected,even ordered by headquarters to bring out the cruelness of WT policy, regardless of personal feelings. Yes unless they resign that kind of loyalty to WT, all elders inevitably will act with cruelty. I and my family have been made well aware of this fact by those whom we loved, and thought loved us. The bottom line is that all elders who want to stay elders will be expected to carry out cruel acts in the name of their false god Watchtower.
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The Painting-Do You See It?
by messenger inhow do you feel after seeing the truth about the truth"?
perhaps the following illustration posted on wol might help you to define your thinking.
a brother and his wife were visiting the holocaust museum, and from a little distance, they spotted a nazi-era painting hanging at the end of a hallway.
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Interesting point about the WT-UN thing
by comment init's easy to document that there have been dozens of derogatory statements about the un in watchtower publications in the years since the society gained ngo status.. we already know that the brothers were not informed about this status.
and in the early 1990's, it would have been considerably harder for the brothers to find out.
why would any of them even think to visit or phone the un and ask, "is the watchtower society in any way associated with your organization?".
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I remember the years of being a devout JW not contributing to UNICEF because it was part of the "Beast". I feel terrible about this now. I keep asking myself over and over again, why was this not seen be me before? I hope the UN gets the graphic pictures the WTS had our children grown up on. The ones that so many had nightmares over.
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I called Brooklyn
by mommy inwell the other thread has gotten long concerning the association of te wtbts and the un so i started this one here.
i just got off the phone with a man in patterson concerning this issue and i will post most of convo here.. first of all if you do call beware they play kingdom melodies when you are on hold!.
ok a man answers the phone giving me his first name.
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Hi Wendy, you are a gutsy gal. I think the guy at the service desk didn't know what hit him. I wonder if the geezers in the governing potty really care if this becomes a big issue. They will still deny it and they are associated histerically, and the R&F witlesses will except the info because they want to believe anything that is fed to them. Does anyone know if the UN is being given copies of books and literature that depicts the many artists rendering of the UN according the the WT??? I don't think they would like it being called the Disgusting Thing and all the other names WT has given to it.
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I GOT TWO NEW RETURN VISITS TODAY!!
by Ranchette ini do have two new return visits but they are not from field service.. my womens club went to a local nursing home today.
we brought the elderly gifts, we sang songs with them, and we brought our pets, and listened to them.
they were so happy to see us and share some of their lifes experiences with us.. it was different to go to a nursing home with no ulterior motives like pushing jw literature.. it felt right to just give them what they wanted most.
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Ranchette, What a wonderful way to minister to those in need. You gave of yourself. Your a sweetheart.
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Update page on UN and other secret stuff
by Dogpatch init has been a task to sift through all the stuff on the united nations stuff, but i have managed to find a page with most of the recent stuff that can be bookmarked if you want to direct a jw or someone else to it:.
http://thetruthhurts.freeservers.com/.
it is also linked from my main page at http://www.freeminds.org as secret governing body documents.
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Maybe the Scarlet Covered Beast will turn on the Taliban, and Jehovah's Witnesses. After all, they say all "false religion"
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Witless Dreamers...
by Jigrigger inthe witless dream machine is alive and well!!!.
go to this link: http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000055.
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I read some of the posts and it was kind of sickening hearing them talk about burying the bodies in one breath and doing such trivial things like, building a real cool bike, getting to know who I really am, climbing the tallest mountain, finding out where to get intructions on what to do next, avoiding the second death, Ugh!! Did we sound like that at one time. I guess that is why we are out. We all must have had too much love in us to stay with such a cold blooded Taliban-like religion. I really liked the one about finding my friends, after they bury everyone. Sick!
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RE: "Special Meeting"
by Quandary ini'm very surprised that my family has not heard about this "special meeting".
we are a 3rd generation jw family, dad is the po, mom has been a reg pio for 25 yrs, brother is a bethelite.
can anyone tell me the date of this supposed "special meeting" and if there is a chicagoland location.. thanks
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I have a friend who is attending says she will be staying at the Mariott secretly because the Society has banned that hotel from it's members without reprisals. She will wear her badge after she leaves the hotel. She doesn't want to be turned in or as she say "I don't want them to come after me". This doesn't sound like a Christian religion to me. More like a secret society of a cult.
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Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick
by MrMoe ini will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.
november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.
at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?
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Sounds to me, that if they recommend counseling, shelter, or crisis center, the abused women might be educated about her enabling religious community. Me seems to think the is a CUUULLLLLTTTTT!!!!!
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Erica's Ritzville Trial Results
by silentlambs inwell i hope this is the last chapter regarding the ritzville trial of manuel beliz.
perhaps he now can become a statistic in the roles of sex offenders who go to jail for their crimes.
as you may recall in the first hearing things were much different and intimidating to erica and her family.
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Hi Bill,
I am so glad the trial turned out with the pervert going to prison. God bless Erica and her family. You know, Bill, as I read your account of the trial it was difficult because it all is just too similar to the case that is pending on our issue. When you mentioned the part about Erica becoming emotional and crying it brought back flash backs of our own daughter's trial in 1999 and how brutally the criminal lawyer protecting her molester, her grandfather, was not only on her, my other children, me and my husband. I left that trial with server Post Traumatic Sress Disorder and am still dealing with the horrible pictures of all the years we fought the Watchtower Society on all the issues. Like Erica's parents, we too are unable to view baby pictures, and pictures of our daughter growing up because all those years until she was 12 he threatened her into submission and secrecy, leaving us with not clues other than the clingyness, and frequent hospitalizations with asthma, and school problems. Family members who turned against us, and actually, on court record calling our child "demonized". I am getting palpitations just thinking about it. The lawyer for my daughter's molester, did everything to sway the jury into believing "he was a nice guy, good Christian, supported by an elders who where his family members who blamed her instead. We were also named as negligent parents becuase we should not have allowed our daughter's grandparents to babysit her. Elders claimed ecclesiastical privlege to protect him, and not devulge information about the countless other victims, some who testified at the trial. That is being appealed also. I wish the Watchtower Society would be held accountable for all the pain it caused me and my family during a time we had been so devout and the utmost trust in them to tell the truth. But they wouldn't, in fact allowed elders to hide the truth and actually lie. I wanted to be at the trial for Erica, but it is just too painful and too much like what we recently went through and are still going through. She is fortunate to have you Bill, advocating for her, and the coverage from Dateline. I am not suprised to hear the supporters of Beliz signed a book. They are cowards that want to remain hidden. Again thankyou for all you are doing in behalf of children who have suffered such degradation and their families who have come under Watchtower brand of labeling as "Apostate" for speaking out, and deserving of shunning, while in fact embracing the perpetrator going door to door. -
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My JW Mothers' Words Of "Love"
by Ranchette inwell, i just received a letter from my mom and i dont know how to describe my feelings at this time.
i thought id share parts of it with you and see what yall think.
i will delete names and add my own words in parenthesis to describe whom shes talking about.. after a few lines of small talk she says this..........i do want to tell you, since (you and your husband) have rejected the truth, i am so glad (your son) is not old enough to join or be drafted into the military.
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Hi Tina, and Ranchette, I agree with you Tina. Although I became a JW at 19 in the early 70's, and my parents were never JW's, I have applied the same situation to my father, who sends terrible letters to me over the internet. In therapy, I learned that to answer them and even open the e-mail is to allow him to engage me emotionally. I have since sent his e-mail back unopened. I have also told him I will no longer read anything he sends me. If he has anything to say he may call me personally on the phone. I have never heard from him. His e-mails are psychological attacks and nothing good can come to me if I read them. He just has his twisted sayings and invites me to a pointless continual dialogue. It is empowering to not open the e-mail. I have since learned from therapy that my pain of wanting the WT religion to be a loving, protecting, moral and spiritual "parent" was my need at 19 for that kind of structure. I ended up choosing a religion that mirrored the crazyiness in my own household growing up. I think that when we look at our own childhood and how we were raised, we can then realize what is "healthy parenting" and "healthy religious experience" and see what is totally unhealthy and disfuncitonal. I look back on this and find myself realizing that I, like all other JW converts, come into the WT with a core personality, that develops layers of the JW personality. Leaving the WT, has been and ongoing peeling of those layers, and I find myself feeling more like the person I was as far as viewing the world, and holidays and such. Yet my children are cradle JW's who have left the Borg, with my husband and I, and they, even though they have left, have no "worldly" layers to balance the cult teachings. I often wonder how they are dealing with all this WTC. Even though I never raised them to fear through threats of death and destruction in a verbal way, I know the liftime of regular meeting attendance put it in their minds and this is part of thier "core". I worry about that. My therapist assures me we broke the cycle and that it may take thier children to completely end the emotional effects of the WT. The best you and I can do Rachette, I guess is continually be healthy in raising our children without those horrible controls, and protect them from the kinds of remarks from well meaning JW family members that is so unhealthy. By leaving and joining the human race, we show our children that we are emotionally and spiritually healthy enough to recognize all kinds of abuse. And as my therapist has stated, they will follow. I hope this helps.