Posts by greendawn

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Did Russell waste his millions starting the Watchtower?

by Witness 007 in

russell was to inherit a clothing store franchise....he could have been as big as k-mart today!

instead he created an organisation known around the world as "the watchtower society" which has enslaved 7 million people with it's rules and lies.

this organisation owns half of new york and millions of dollars worth of properties, so was it a good or bad investment?

greendawn

Homerovah, that interesting information linking the WTS to the American Judeomasons (bnai brith) was presented by Springmeier in a book he wrote after an extensive study of Russell, the WTS and its connections with Jewish and Masonic circles.

It came up in a court case in Switzerland in the 1920's where the accused presented a letter from the American Judeomasons to those in Switzerland and it mentions that the WTS was being funded by them and used to undermine Christianity and was requesting of them to create favourable conditions for Rutherford during his visit there.

You should be able to find that book in its electronic form and download it if you google "watchtower and the masons fritz springmeier"

The fact that a lot of jewish money went into the WTS is in agreement with the fact that Russell was very strongly pro jewish and endevoured for a Jewish home in Palestine. And of course we have the clearly judaising nature of the WTS which expels and shuns those calling Jesus Lord and talks of itself as the organisation of jehovah rather than the church of Christ denying just like the Jews that Jesus is the central person in the new economy. That jehovah left everything in the hands of Jesus and basically departed from the scene.

It may well be proved one day that the judeomasons are secretly running the WTS and exploiting its revenue and the GB are just a front that conceals their presence there.

As for masonry it is no doubt at its heart a satan worshipping, fiercely antichristian organisation steeped in occultism but few low level masons know that masonic writers like the two self admitted major satanists Albert Pike and Manley Palmer Hall have shamelessly revealed that satan is the god that they and masonry worship and serve.

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Did Russell waste his millions starting the Watchtower?

by Witness 007 in

russell was to inherit a clothing store franchise....he could have been as big as k-mart today!

instead he created an organisation known around the world as "the watchtower society" which has enslaved 7 million people with it's rules and lies.

this organisation owns half of new york and millions of dollars worth of properties, so was it a good or bad investment?

greendawn

It would be interesting to check out as much as possible the theory that Russell was being directed and assisted by the judeomasons in forming the the WTS. A lot of the meetings of the JWs or Bible students were held in masonic temples in the early days. Russell used a lot of masonic symbols and he is buried in a masonic cemetery. Imagine this being done by an organisation that acccuses christian religions of being satanic and pagan based. Free masonry at its heart is THE pagan religion if there ever was one, a mixture of ancient mystery religions, talmudic (not old testament) judaism and satanism.

In the 1920's American judeomasons admitted that they were in league with Rutherford and the WTS supporting them financially and using them to undermine christianity ie catholicism and protestantism. It was one of the numerous organisations, many of them occultic, set up at the time by free masonry in general, to viciously demolish christianity. Recall that calling Jesus "Lord" means prompt expulsion from the WTS and that's a massive clue as to who they really are. The apostles called Jesus Lord very often in the New Testament books.

So there may be more than just Russell deciding to establish the WTS entirely on his own money and initiative.

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Throughout the history of JW's, what years do think they strayed most from being "God's People"? Who was responible for this,and why do you think this?

by lurk3r in

greendawn

As everyone said they never were god's people but rather a corporation founded and run by Russell up to his death (he is buried in a masonic cemeterary a stone's throw away from a big masonic temple though it was built after his burial there) and pretending to be god's organisation. No doubt the WTS had occultic connections at least up to the death of Rutherford.

However things did take a turn for the worse when Rutherford took over as he turned it into the dictatorial high pressure organisation we all know. In fact his successors made it even worse than he left it with the introduction of the disfellowshipping and blood ban policies.

All along it acted as an impostor prophet claiming to be divinely appointed and speaking the words of god. They exploited to the nth degree the desire of people to see an end to the sufferings inflicted by the current world set up.

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The Internet (what year did you first have access)

by Ri in

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i first had access to the internet in 1994. i thought it was amazing all the information at my fingertips.

i have no idea what search engine i used before google.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl9wu2kwwsy.

greendawn

The internet as we know it began in late 1992 though it was slow at about 1.5kB per sec, had no graphics and required a lot of technical knowledge to operate. It was the start and there were only a few hundreds of websites. It really took off in 1994 after browsers were produced that made navigating much easier. Since then it became unrecognizable in terms of speed and performance.

I first used it in early 1997 when I bought my first PC. Using internet explorer as browser and yahoo and alta vista as search engines. At that time it was 33.6 kB dial up charged on a per minute basis on top of a monthly standing charge. I was using it mainly in the evenings after 6PM and all day on weekends when the per minute rate was very cheap. By 1999 there were providers charging just a monthly fee and free unlimited time of use.

Got onto ADSL 1MB broadband in 2002 and 10MB download / 1 MB upload cable in early 2008. And yes they do give those speeds on a constant basis until up to now.

Now speeds are going up towards 50 MB, in Japan and Korea they already have 100MB. And there are very sophisticated browsers like Firefox with lots of extensions.

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The WTS need a new tentacle of control

by passwordprotected in

the watch tower bible and tract society was founded on the belief that armageddon is imminent.

in the late 1870s when charles t russell gave up his business interests and began preaching that christ had returned - invisibly, of course - in 1874 and that by 1914 the current system would be over with, a religious model pinched from the adventists and millerites, was established.. 1914 came and went, this old system lumbered on, and the wtbts in the person of russell began re-reading his favourite biblical texts and re-calibrating his 'pyramidological' calculations.

yes, his prophecies hadn't come true, but the bible students lived to predict another end of the world.

greendawn

It's clever mind tricks all these seductive promises, promising eternal happy youth and life within the near future, within easy grasp. Then come the conditions: it's there for you provided you obey the WTS and its, gasp, divinely appointed leaders. It is their main selling point that's why they are so reluctant to give it up even now when it looks awefully outdated and trite, they will carry on flogging this almost dead horse.

It's a smart ensnaring spider web that served them so well but it can only last for so long. The end that never comes is no end.

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JWS are businessmen who exploited Religion to create an Empire

by Homerovah the Almighty in

jehovah's witnesses are businessmen who exploited religion to create an empire or a kingdom of their own design true or false.. complete with servitude slaves and the laws to keep them in line.. after just listening to some of da judge rutherford speeches he certainly was a narcissistic opportunist that wanted it all.

and its not too easy to understand why a lot of people fell for his tritely bullshit, what a charismatic salesman.. you can really see how he was intensionally was trying to build a kingdom around himself with himself sitting of course at the steering wheel.. in modern terms we would call a person like this a power junkie out of control .

its apparent i suppose he did finally get the power and wealth that he desired, unfortunately at the cost of the love and respect of his family.. and its unfortunate too that this disingenuous character's legacy still remains and maintains itself in the wts.

greendawn

The WTS started as someone's business, someone invested a lot of money to bring it into existence. It would be humanly impossible for that person to consider it as being anything other than his business as much as he wanted to appear self sacrificing and present this corporation as the enterprise of God. No, this is not God's enterprise but that of Russell, his successors and the mysterious shareholders. It belongs to humans and anyone serving it is serving human financial interests.

Rutherford came along and snatched the corporation from the hands of the Russell appointed leaders, as it became very obvious later in order to enjoy a life of luxury and the ego trip of being in control of the JWs. Luxury cars, luxury houses, luxury trips and of course plenty of alcohol and some beautiful women. Total indulgence. Where is the humble, meek and self denying servant of God?

A personality and lifestyle quite at odds with the saintly image he was projecting outwards. To this day the average dub thinks that Rutherford was some kind of self sacrificing saint chosen by God to lead his (supposed) organisation on earth. What a gross lie! What an emotional and spiritual disaster it would be to believe in it! To accept the devious apostle of Satan as the righteous apostle of God.

Meanwhile the WTS remains under the deceptive religious mantle, another typical multinational corporation just like any other one of its kind. It's just that someone had the idea to make a business out of religion joining so many others that did the same, before and during his lifetime. Many others would do the same later in history.

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Are There ANY Advantages To Being A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

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can you think of anything??

?.

greendawn

It can help JWs keep away from cigarettes, drugs, excess alcohol and sexual promiscuity which could lead to sexually transmitted diseases. And from what I had noticed back in the 1980's JW marriages were more stable. They had on average better control over their instinctive desires and more orderly lives. This may not have been the case everywhere.

Of course these in the WTS come at a great cost. And they are also common among those really practicing mainstream christianity.

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Did you Hate Being Called Brother ( last name ) Or use People's First Name?

by flipper in

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a a witness this really bugged me.

i hated being called brother ( last name ) by people i knew for 10, 20, or 30 years !

it was so impersonal i felt.

greendawn

I never liked it because it sounded so hypocritical, there was no genuine spirit of brotherhood between the JWs. It implied that the level of fraternity was very high whereas the opposite was the case.

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Russell Not a Mason!

by johnnyc in

this is some research i did showing that russell, was not, in fact a freemason (aka mason).

it is from the website: .

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html .

greendawn

Icke et al may be weirdos but then again it's hard to believe that Russell was not a free mason. He lies in a cemetery that is adjacent to a large masonic temple and there is no fence separating the two. He had ordered (before dying) a pyramid with masonic symbols placed near his grave.

Even if he was not a mason he was surely intimately associated with them and serving their goals. Though on balance I believe he was a mason and even one of high rank. He was very obviously promoting Jewish interests and to the point that the Jews considered him a respected ally.

Springmeier (though he occasionally says some weird things) uncovered some interesting facts about the WTS's connections with the Judeo-masons. He believes the WTS was/is their creation they funded it into existence and helped it along to promote their interests and to this day they secretly control and direct it in its anti christian agenda and behaviour. And that they take the enormous profits it makes each year.

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Okay - how to translate the AWFUL greek of Revelation.

by hamsterbait in

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i have been thinking about leos post on revelation.. the early church fathers could see how bad the greek was.

unfortunately modern translations iron everything out and make it sound perfectly cogent.

by correcting the grammar en route to the target language, the scholars are actually hiding the real text, and so prevent us from realising that it could have been written by a wing nut.. are there any places where the use of the language is so bad, that if we translated honestly we might get:.

greendawn

What's the link to Leolaia's thread on Revelation?

The Greek used in Revelation was not hopelessly bad but it was certainly substandard. It's hard to see how the writer of the Gospel of John with its polished perfect Greek and the writer of Revelation could be the same person. Unless Revelation was written much earlier before John got to learn Greek well or perhaps the Gospel was proofread and corrected by someone that knew Greek perfectly well.