considering the said jw pacifist stance
a jw passes by a woman being raped and says to the perp, "hey you shoudn't do that", and the perp says, "[edit] off", and continues - other help is quite some time away.
what does the jw do ?
Hmm.... well not quite sure what a 100% dedicated and commited witness would do but personally i would make war on the perp. In this way we are loving our neighbour by defending them, which is one of the things that the ministry teaches us.
I would imagine that most Jw would do the same given the situation but could add a prayer along the way. Lol, what made you think that scenario up?
xLaurax
either i've missed it or we haven't talked about the death of former nfl player turned army ranger specialist pat tillman in afghanistan.. this guy represents what's right about america.
he had money and fame and wanted to give back to the country after 9-11. i'm proud of people like him...and there are thousands of them here in the military...people who left homes and families...and sometimes good jobs...to do something important.. on a side note....i was worried that with as hard as we're driving the force that retention in the military was going to be a problem...thus far this year the army has exceeded it's goal of retention by a couple of 100 soldiers...the marines....have retained 90% of the goal for the year in the first six months.
these are dedicated people we're talking about here.
Wow, thats a pretty damn good set of stats there. I'm afraid i have to agree with you, i am proud of the military and i am proud of everybody who has fought so hard to defend us. I can't wait until i'm part of that team xLaura x
does anyone else remember how awful school was because of the dreaded school assembly.. my whole school life was blighted because i couldn't go in.
my young son can goes in and it is the best part of his day, he loves the hymns.
how glad am i that i came to my senses before my son suffered like i did as a child.
Lol. To be quite honest being able to get out of things such as assemblies and the choir was the best thing about it. Assembly is the most boring part of the day and infact i sometimes hide in the toilets to get out of it.
Hey, maybe thats just me xLaurax
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and it made me feel odd, unnerved.. i haven't been to a meeting for two years now and am quite anti jw but this still felt odd, to see her wearing a cross.
any ideas?
Lol, i can see what you mean. I got a cross and matching earrings as an Xmas present off of a boy from school. They were really nice and no doubt expensive but when i opened them my mother was unimpressed to say the least. She does however class herself as a Jw (when i say that i mean she believes all the crap but on mot occasions does not act upon it).
In a way it felt weird to me when i out it on but i did not want to offend the person that bought it me and at the same time didnt want to upset my mum. I know that like people have said, 'a cross is just a cross' it did not dtop me feeling guilty wen i put it on. Even to this day whenever i wear the cross i hide it from my mum. Part of me feels as though i am betraying Jehovah (although there are doubts in my mind as to whether he exists) and part of me feels a hypocrite to the Christian churched as i don't believe what their religion either. Confusing heh
i read online someone posted that teenage jw's have a higher suicide rate four times the national average.
i was wondering if anybody knew anything to confirm or deny this.
a friend of mine who has had problems with suicidal thoughts is dating a jw and he is trying to convert her.
Hiya Thomas!
Ive heard this topic being discussed previously in the forums. Your bound to be concered although i believe that you should never take statistics literally as half the time they are complete and utter bulls**t! After attending a KH for almost 16 years i have to say that i cannot name one person that commited suicide including other adults and children alike. However, i could name a few non-JW that have.
Hey, guess thats jut one thing that we will never know. I am a teenager atm and although not competely 100% commited to being a JW i don't see that many teenagers seem to be completetly depressed about their way of life. Although personally i have not chosen to live that way i can see how some people COULD feel isolated and lonely. This is mainly due to the fact that children are told to stay away from the 'wordly' people. To be honest i also think this is rubbish and have and will continue to have practically all of my friends from outside the KH. This way i can experience both ways of life as well as being a happy teenager.
Sorry this turned into abit of an essay, lol guess i figured this was kinda my field being a teeanger n' all.
xLaurax
lol, me thinks that somebody must be really bored to create such a post.
i'm sure there must be something in the air in leicester.
although i dont think this has been in the news yet, i've heard from a good source that a jw woman from leicester has committed suicide by jumping off a bridge.
she is the 2nd jw woman to top herself by jumping off a bridge in leicester in the past 2 years.
Yeah maybe that is so. However i don't alway believe statistics because many of the times they are innacurate and biased. Just because she happens to be a Jw and in the leicester area does not mean every Jw woman in leicster wants to do the same thing. Lol, an interesting fact though to sy non the least.
as i learn more about the borg i am continually shocked by what i discover.
i knew early on that they were pacifists but i had no idea that this included not honouring (or dishonouring) those that have died under war conditions.
i find it so hypocritical that the dubs are quite happy to benefit from the principles (ie freedom, liberty, justice, etc) that these men & women fought for & yet refuse to pay tribute to them.
It's not that i take offence to what people have to argue it just when people disregard things that i say based plainly on my age as somebody did earlier. That was my problem. I think that a healthy debate is good and am totally open to opinion, so long as people acknowledge what ive had to say.
as i learn more about the borg i am continually shocked by what i discover.
i knew early on that they were pacifists but i had no idea that this included not honouring (or dishonouring) those that have died under war conditions.
i find it so hypocritical that the dubs are quite happy to benefit from the principles (ie freedom, liberty, justice, etc) that these men & women fought for & yet refuse to pay tribute to them.
No worries, i dont take permanent offence very often (unless you really annoy me). I just find that on this site nobody really listens to what i have to say when they look at how old i am. This is particularly annoying to a young individual in society today who has a strong opinion about something.
Believe me i have given a hell of alot of thought into joining the military and that is what i will damn well do. I know that i am emotionally stable and this really IS what i want. As i pointed out earlier after somebody reinforced my argument, if this was a perfect world (which it is far from) them sure my view would be different. But i belive that somebody has to be willing to risk their live to defend their country. Trust me, nothing will change my mind about this.
Hey and thanks to the support that somebody gave me. Lol, i wasn;t sure about joining these forums because everybody seems to think of really clear, logical arguments and in that respect i guess my age really does show. But its better if people jut read what i have to say before pre-judging me and my thoughts.
Thanks guys, this is an interesting subject. xLaura x
as i learn more about the borg i am continually shocked by what i discover.
i knew early on that they were pacifists but i had no idea that this included not honouring (or dishonouring) those that have died under war conditions.
i find it so hypocritical that the dubs are quite happy to benefit from the principles (ie freedom, liberty, justice, etc) that these men & women fought for & yet refuse to pay tribute to them.
See what i mean. Straight away i have proved my point that i would have been judged on my opinion merely because of my age. Is it not possible for young people to voice their opinion these days? Make no wonder that we turn out like we do when older, small-minded people just brush aside everything that we have to say.
Yeah sure i agree with you war does bring about alot of death and destruction but lot of times the good it brings outweighs the bad. How can you say that WW2 for example was not god when it clearly removed an evil dictator that would have brought a lot more wicked to the earth.
As for the comment about me being too young and naive all i have to say is that you don't know anything about me so you have no right to pass comment like that. People can enter the military at several stages and just because i happen to be young does not mean that my decision has not been thoroughly thought through.
I could pass comment in a similar way and say that yo are too old and stuck in your own ways to ever listen to what anybosy else has to say. Try and empathise next time before replying.
