Posts by Fleur

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Please help me understand

by lonelymom in

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my daughter was not brought up jw.

her husband and his family are jw's.

once married, my daughter began going to studies and has now converted.

Fleur

(((((((lonelymom))))))) Big hugs and welcome to you.

I am sorry about your situation. I am in the reverse one: I'm the only person in my family who celebrates Christmas. My child gets presents from my husband's family but not from mine for the holidays. Usually it's just the three of us celebrating because his family lives far away. It can be lonely.

I think that the best advice I can give is just continue to love and support your daughter and show all the love you can to your grandchild. I don't think that her parents would object to you giving her gifts at any other time of the year. I would try to start a new family tradition, perhaps giving them each a gift on a different day instead. Likely your daughter is also missing the holidays but doesn't feel she can tell you because it is now against her faith.

Just hang on, read as much as you can to learn about her beliefs and keep loving her. Hopefully, love will win out in the end even if you don't get to celebrate holidays with her anymore, you will still be in a loving relationship.

hugs,

essie

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Wild Horses

by Country_Woman in

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happy birthday

happy birthday .

Fleur

happy birthday!

24

Reverse Shunning

by redskymedic in

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i'm thinking of telling my mother i can't talk to her anymore sine i don't agree with how she is conducting her life.

occasionally, i'll meet up with her and my jw aunt (they work together) with both kids in the car.

my aunt will come over to check out my baby but completely pretend that i'm not even there.

Fleur

He's still a JW.

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Reverse Shunning

by redskymedic in

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i'm thinking of telling my mother i can't talk to her anymore sine i don't agree with how she is conducting her life.

occasionally, i'll meet up with her and my jw aunt (they work together) with both kids in the car.

my aunt will come over to check out my baby but completely pretend that i'm not even there.

Fleur

A parent's job is to protect the children and the children's family. If I haven't learned that Witnessism is a threat to children and to the family, I haven't learned much from it all.

The Witness's goal is to split up the family. That's how they can control the people. People, don't let them do it. Don't give them access. I gave them access and my family is divided.

I couldn't say it any better than that. Anyone who shuns me is not allowed access to my child, period. They even tried going through my ex-husband for awhile, and I put a stop to that right quick.

We come as a package deal. If anyone won't accept me, they don't get her. Period. It will prevent a ton of problems in the future for your child by making this your position.

hugs

essie

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A Salute to the Kids of Dubdom

by Room 215 in

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as the unfortunate school-age children of jws worldwide, or at least in christendom, face up to two of what must certainly be the most dreaded days of the school year -- today and monday, i don't think it would be remiss to do pay them tribute -- the honor of a brief recognition of some sort, say by the raising of a glass, a prayer, a couple moments' reflection, whatever.. i refer to all those of the trembling knees, quivering lips, moistened eyes and hollow feelings in the pits of their little tummies as they loyally face up to the humiliation of standing aside from the masses of christmas celebrants among their school friends.

how they must agonize over dealing with the incessant questions of their mates about ``what are you going to do this christmas," ``what did santa bring you?

'' -- not to mention listening to the spirited banter of their school friends recounting how much fun they had and what they found under tree christmas morning, etc.

Fleur

I'm glad you did, I hadn't seen it before. Truly breaks my heart...thinking of all the poor little lambs still going through this.

Cheers to them...from another JW kid who got beat up at school just for being different...

essie

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Parpppppp!

by Englishman in

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i'm home!.

functioning on all cylinders too.

the op was a complete success so i've said goodbye to the bag, hello to my rear end and greetings once again to everyone at our on-line comunity.. christina printed off all your kind good wishes and brought them into the hospital for me to read.

Fleur

Happy to hear that everything came out all right in the end... (geez, did I just say that? LOL)

welcome back, and speedy recovery!

essie

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Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

by minimus in

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i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

Fleur

*shudder* the song book is enough to make me physically ill. Hearing one of the songs brought out such raw emotion in me I posted about it "Jehovah Our Rock, our Strength and our might.."

I was talking to one of the siblings who still speaks to me (considered 'weak' inactive JW but has read freeminds and has seen the 'truth' about it but still clings to it somehow) . They said to me that they think that the songs are so drummed into them that they're down into the bone marrow. That happens when you start hearing this stuff "as a fetus".

The Nazarites song makes me giggle, though. "Nazarites, oh how can we be like them? Self-denial was their role..." ROFLMAO. Way to make the lifestyle sound appealing...NOT!

My favorite song though was "Myriads on Myriads of brothers..." ;) LOL

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The JW's came to the door today and asked my son to go to meetings

by redhotchilipepper in

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my son answered the door this morning.

the couple that my mr.horton and i had been studying with when we were considering going back to the truth finally got ahold of him.

the did the usual routine.

Fleur

ROFL Mary! when my mom didn't want JW relatives to come during a recent trip to town (or to stay long) she actually ASKED me to come over and said I was her "secret weapon" ! How funny is that? I love your idea of an I heart Ray Franz sign.

My husband suggested that my mom post a little "Attack Apostate on Premesis" sign on her door. I added "Or, Apostate Crossing..." can you imagine the looks on their faces? Perhaps a sign saying "I'm a member of the International Association of exJW Apostates" LOL

I love Scully's sign, it makes the point in a luuuuvely way...

"NO SOLICITING
NO PEDDLING
NO PREACHING"

that sums it all up nicely.

To RHCP: If your son is a minor just tell any JW's that he does not have permission to study with them. If he's not, he can tell them himself that he's not interested. In any event, you're right, keep them away from him!

hugs

essie

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I think I hate Mother Teresa now...

by Preston in

i've been reading christopher hitchen's love poverty, and war.

it's a pretty good book that puts a lot of things in perspective regarding iraq, iran, pakistan...there's even a section on mother teresa.

this section...was probably the most interesting part of the whole book i have read so far.

Fleur

Littletoe,

My post only expresses my opinions. I feel that you should know about Dr. Hamlin because she is continuing to do, with much less notoriety, work that is changing lives. I found my own life to be enriched by knowing about her, and that is why I think everyone should be aware of the work she is doing.

As far as speaking ill of the dead...credit where credit is due indeed. But we speak ill here all the time about those who took the lead in the WTS and cost the lives of many due to refusal of blood transfusions. I see no difference in that than speaking this way about one nun who did some good in her life and also caused much suffering by furthering the beliefs that she held as holy. I see no difference between the guilt that comes with telling people that they can't use contraception thus furthering the spread of AIDS than the guilt that comes with making up rules barring blood transfusions and costing lives that way. Only that I think more people have died from the church's stand on contraception than from the JW blood belief. (edited, forgive me, my MS is at war with my brain this morning and I forgot to add the final point) Some could argue that the WTS has done good works, helping the poor in some countries, rescuing people from drug abuse (I know many who say the "Truth" saved them from a life of drugs). But does the good offset the bad? I know that in the Society's case I don't think so. I also don't think that the good that Teresa did offset the doctrines that she preached which have caused needless suffering to millions of people.

Again, this is just my opinion. You're entitled to yours, I'm entitled to mine, and I respectfully leave it at that. I won't post in this thread again, talk amongst yourselves... (as the coffee talk lady would say...)

hugs

essie

edited cause I forgot to add, I don't advocate hating anyone. But I don't think that any human deserves sainthood...all of us are as imperfect as the next.

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Not in the truth, but haunted by it...

by confuzzed in

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i am having trouble dealing with this little voice in the back of my head telling me that if i don't go back to meetings i won't go to the new system and everything i am doing is wrong blah blah blah.

although i have agreed to a study i believe it is more to shut up this little voice rather than because i want to be a witness again.

but if i don't go back i have to deal with this horrible feeling all the time.

Fleur

"The LIE" (not the TRUTH) stays in us a lot longer than we stay in it. Especially if you were born in, like we were, or brought in as a small and all-trusting child.

You've gotten great advice, not much I can add except for my understanding and support. Start at Freeminds.org and read all you can about the company behind the WTS. When you can realize that it IS a company, above all else, that is the beginning of freedom. It brings up a lot of other issues to deal with as you go...you have to take it a day at a time, but you will make it and be better off for the journey in the long run.

Keep talking, and keep listening here. Above all else, know you're not alone.

hugs

essie