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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 1-2-05 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 01-02-05 wt study (november 15, 2004 issue)

  review comments

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  Fleur

  CARROT ALERT:

  ROFLMAO!!!!!!! I just about choked on my tea just now. That is hilarious and a phrase I am tucking away for future reference LOL.

  Again, fabulous job as always, Blondie!

  hugs

  essie
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  We all have mothers....

  by Preston in

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  my mom was born to a jewish family on staten island, new york 50 years ago.

  she learned "the truth" from a group of sisters who told her that the jews were not god's chosen people and that she needed to be baptized.

  she went through most of her life not following the society to a "t".

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  It's a shame we never really 'knew' anyone as Jehovah's Witnesses. Our lives were all bookwork, there was so little which was deep, or personal, or humanist about the whole experience.

  That is SO true! I have never spent so much time with so many people and yet, in the end, knew so little about them.

  There's a saying out there, you're only as sick as your secrets...(I forget if that's an Alanon thing or what, I know I've heard it somewhere) and that applies so much to the KH I believe. Too many secrets, with so many people only caring how things look, not what is actually going on.

  "People holes" LOL. I'm going to remember that one.

  hugs again to Preston and everybody on this thread (Avishai I love your posts, just felt like saying that)

  essie
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  I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2

  by Dansk in

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  as i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.

  hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.

  that's a rather simplified version of events.

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  Fleur

  The books I recommended will give you a wonderful insight and a good grounding. You'll immediately know when you've truly arrived at your path. Actually, you're already on it; you just have to clear away any obstructions. These can even come from the schools (or, rather, the teachers) themselves, which is why it's always good to trust your intuition. I've had to learn that for myself after the JW experience - but no experience is a waste. Don't ever feel bad about a past event, because that's exactly what it is - the past. One must live for the present. The present is all we have. The past is gone forever, the future doesn't exist. It's always about now!

  Ian,

  Thank you again, my friend, for taking the time to explain so thoroughly despite the stinking cold and the 'main illness' that you deal with daily. My thoughts are swimming so quickly, swirling around with your words, the words of another very wise friend here, and my own observations. I look forward to finding some quiet, some stillness in which to just contemplate and I that I will 'remember' the path I am meant to take. It's in me, I know it. It's been there all along, I was just too distracted to listen, to see it. It was clouded by all the JW-ness of my life from before I was born, as they got to work converting me as soon as I had ears inside my mother's womb. No wonder I lost my way.

  Much love to you and thank you again...this has been one of the most amazing exchanges I've ever been involved in on JWD or any community and I hope it will continue. Thank you, thank you.

  hugs,

  essie
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  Happy New Year and some wonderful news

  by Black Sheep in

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  just popping in to wish you all a happy new year and to announce the arrival of..... ....our new grand daughter.

  chris

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  congratulations! nothing renews your faith in life like a baby :)
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  help and advice needed plz

  by confused-n-abused in

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  hello,im 14 years old and i am a jehovahs witness.i have done research after things happened that didnt make sense to me.my sister has been disfellowshiped and is now out of the organization married wth 2 sons.my brother stopped going to the meetings and is engaged to be married to a non wittness in march of 05.my other brother has been reading apostate material and now doesnt believe this is the right religion and is very confused as am i.my mother is a avid witness was baptized in 1975 and pioneered for a while in the 80's.i love my mom very much,but i know this isnt the right religion and i want out.im not baptized but i was born in the truth so im on the ministry school and everything and im an unbaptized publisher.when my mom finnally finds out im leaving the truth it will break her heart as she really believes this is the right religion,and shes already had 3 kids do so.how can i leave without breaking her heart?i would stick it out for the next 3or4 years,just for her,but i really dont want to.plz help me figure things out.

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  Fleur

  welcome to the board, confused (((((hugs))))

  There isn't much you can do at the moment, you're too young to go out on your own, so I would just echo the other folks' comments and say that no matter what you do, don't get baptized! As long as you don't do that you can 'drift away' slowly over time. I know you probably want to stand up and shout to everyone you know that the "Truth" isn't true. But you have to bide your time for now. It's hard, it stinks. But hang in there...get good grades, think about finding ways to go to college in a few years. And just keep loving your mom all you can, and then hopefully by the time you can exit the religion, maybe she will be ready to see the light herself.

  hugs,

  essie
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  any experiences with children watching the tsunami coverage?

  by candidlynuts in

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  i'm a terrible person.. i havent had small kids around for awhile and the other day a couple of kids were over , 6 and 5 yrs old and the grown ups were watching the tsunami coverage on bbc.

  well, forgetting that bbc doesnt edit out stuff as much as american news , they showed dead children.

  so we had to spend a few minutes discussing this with the kids.

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  Fleur

  yes, I have experience with this. the first day, my child saw pretty much what I did, but then the pictures of bodies started coming in and I knew it was too much for her. She saw, by accident, a pile of children laying there and she said "Are they hurt, mama?" and I said "Yes, honey, they're hurt." and changed the channel.

  She immediately asked how she could send the money in her bank to them to help them.

  After that, hubby and I decided that we didn't want to overwhelm her so she doesn't watch the coverage any more. She is aware that many many people died, she is also aware that she is very fortunate because someone she knows who was there was spared (can't go into too much detail on the 'net on that) but I know that she wanted to know when, and how, we were going to do all we could to help. So I told her about how we planned to donate.

  Your point is very important; children should know what is going on in the world around them but even grown adults are barely able to tolerate images of this tragedy (myself included) and so you have to be careful what your kids see.

  thanks for the reminder!
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  A "Sobering" idea for New Years: to benefit Asian Tsunami Victims/Survivors

  by Fleur in

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  i just had a rare moment of clarity and i wanted to share this idea with you all.

  i plan to pass it along to everyone i know, hoping that it might, just might, catch on.

  i am proposing a totally painless way for people to reach into their hearts, and wallets, to help those so desperate for aid following this weekend's tragedy in asia.

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  ..It just seems soo unbelievable the amount of damage and loss of life that its hard to imagine my measly hundred dollars making any difference.

  ((((((flower)))))) a hug for you.

  I know, especially as the toll keeps rising it seems more and more insurmountable. But all that money added together...can still save lives. Especially babies, who are still at such risk from illness.

  Just do you what you can, whatever that is, even fifty cents will help, people. If 100 people put in 50 cents at a bar, that is 50.00; which could in turn buy 1400.00 worth of medical supplies through Americares.

  Thanks Stefanie, I saw that picture too and it is just unbelievably brutal :( as a parent, i just can't fathom it...

  ...bttp hoping that others will consider too.

  hugs

  essie
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  We all have mothers....

  by Preston in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mom was born to a jewish family on staten island, new york 50 years ago.

  she learned "the truth" from a group of sisters who told her that the jews were not god's chosen people and that she needed to be baptized.

  she went through most of her life not following the society to a "t".

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  Fleur

  Just beautiful, Preston. Thank you for that.

  There's a lot to learn in there.

  People on this site somehow get turned into caricatures -- not real people, but virtual cardboard cutouts, complete with labels: liberal, conservative, red, blue, Dub, as if life was one of those TV shows where you have to be one thing or another, never a bit of both.

  Thank you, dear, for reminding me that we're all a 'bit of both'. Every year I learn a bit more about shedding the preconcieved ideas that I get of people because they are/were JW's; this essay is a great boost in the right direction on the continuing path of that journey.

  Wishing you love and peace in the new year...

  essie
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  Thank You Simon

  by Kenneson in

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  i don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but even if they have it's worth repeating.

  thank you for allowing the advertisement that reads: "tsunami earthquake--donate online--if you're reading this you can afford it.

  " now, if the official watchtower society site could learn from you!!!!

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  Fleur

  Another thank you here, Simon.

  It's easy to think we are helpless and cant do much but even $1 or £1 will do something to help someone. The fact that we are sat here readin online with a computer, internet access and electricity means that WE ARE WEALTHY. There is no excuse not to contribute something.

  Don't believe me? Try this site to see how you rank on the planets wealth scale. Most of us are in the top 1% I suspect:

  These people have lost everything and many didn't have too much to start with. Imagine your kids having lost their parents and alone or if you lost your entire family and depend on someone on the other side of the planet giving a small amount (to them) that will save your life. If we do not help them then the same number again at least will die.

  I can quite easily do without some luxury that will probably be a waste of money anyway and send the money to them instead where I know it will do some real good.

  You tell 'em, mate. Well said.

  hugs,

  essie
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  USA ups the stakes to $350million

  by Brummie in

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  just announced on sky news.com, but what a disgrace for sky news to mention an email sent by some american joe bloggs who stated that he didnt think the usa should support the crisis since indonesia is anti american... after all the help the usa give they have to refer to one measly stupid email!

  grr.

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  it's about freaking time! glad to hear the news.