I am going to call the local KH tonight to see if they are planning a memorial service for Michael. After all he was the most famous JW who ever lived.
Athanasius
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Michael Jackson having memorial service at L.A. Assembly Hall!!!
by oompa inhahah.......wouldn't that be a funny headline.....and its not even april 1.....oomps.
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This is my old KH...
by Tatiana inkingdom hall struck by vandals again story tools email storyrecommend storyprintable versiondiscuss .
/story tools article contentpublished on 6/26/2009.
the following reports were collected from georgetown police and county deputies:.
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Athanasius
Interesting that most of the damage was to the library. I wonder how many of Russell's and Rutherford's books will have to be removed now.
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An Open Letter to Jehovah's Witnesses
by AK - Jeff indear jw's -.
i was, not too long ago, one of you.
i loved jehovah, and his organization.
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Athanasius
Excellent letter Jeff. Well written and to the point.
I also find Reniaa’s comments entertaining. Her postings are not the posting of a Witness in full fellowship with the local KH. There is an interesting streak of independence about them, not what you would expect from a JW in good standing. She gives lip service to most Watchtower doctrines, yet it seems that she would have more in common with the Bible Students, Assemblies of Yahweh, or the Christadelphians.
Nevertheless, she enjoys the fellowship that she receives on this forum. Here one has freedom of expression, something that does not exist at the KH where the questions for discussion are found at the bottom of the page of the Watchtower magazine and the answers are found in the paragraphs above the questions.
However, Reniaa, while many of us here respect your right to proselytize for your beliefs, you also have to respect other’s rights to proselytize Jehovah’s Witnesses. No one is forcing JWs to visit this forum, and no one is forcing them to read the postings. JWs are free to take what they read here and compare it with Watchtower publications. The decision is theirs.
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Older posters check in...just post your name...we need to hear from you!
by restrangled ini am not the oldest but have 3 years here!
restrangled.. how about you?.
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Athanasius
It has been an interesting 8 years.
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Older posters check in...just post your name...we need to hear from you!
by restrangled ini am not the oldest but have 3 years here!
restrangled.. how about you?.
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Athanasius
Wow, has it been 8 years?
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DC 2009 NEW SONGBOOK Details.
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Athanasius
What color is the new Songbook?
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The Future of Jehovah's Witnesses
by The Berean inhistorically, not all religions survive over time.. .
will the organization of jehovah's witnesses:.
a) eventually evolve into a mainstream religion.
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Athanasius
I also see the Witnesses going mainstream. However, it will be caused a several factors, internal and external. Of course monetary considerations will be the most important. Their shunning policy, which denies basic civil rights to the rank and file Witnesses, could cause the Watchtower to lose their tax exempt status. Some day it might even be considered a "hate crime." The Watchtower is quick to compromise on issues when money is involved. The length of the District conventions have been shortened because the 8, 5, 4 day conventions don't bring in the money like they used to.
The Watchtower may never adopt the Trinity doctrine and will continue to teach "soul sleep;" but these are not doctines unique to Jehovah's Witnesses. However, I would never go back to the Watchtower no matter how many changes they make.
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What would it take for you to conclude that the WBTS is not God's channel?
by Mickey mouse ini wondered if you could answer this question for me?
you seem to be fine with the fact that they are false prophets, that they have changed the bible and that they have entered into an agreement to "uphold the aims of the un".. what is the deal breaker for you?.
i suspect that there isn't one, and that is not a reasonable position.. please tell me there is something they could do that would make you question their legitamacy?.
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Hi Reniaa,
As an Anglican you would call me a Trinitarian Christian, nevertheless, I respect your right to reject the Trinity and hold another set of beliefs. However, you must admit that the Watchtower is in a bit of a flux these days in that they have recently changed some major doctrines and made several changes to their organizational structure. With the eventual passing of Ted Jaracz, the Governing Body may make the Witness religion more mainstream. Will they reject Arianism, adopt the Trinity doctrine, and become like the World Wide Church of God? Only time will tell.
But it is encouraging that your set of beliefs are independent of the Watchtower Governing Body. So whatever they do will not affect your spirituality.
You might be interested to know that there is a group of Jehovah's Witnesses here in the United States that have published a report exposing the apostasy of the Watchtower Governing Body. I obtained a copy of this report several years ago. My copy is packed away somewhere in storeage so I can't give you their email address. Perhaps someone here has acess to more current information on the "Report" and this special group of Jehovah's Witnesses. You may have more in common with these Jehovah's Witnesses than with those who blindly follow the changing teachings of the Governing Body.
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Blood and Acts question
by Wicaugen inokay, so, i dunno if this has been brought up before, it probably has, but i have an in depth question.. acts 15:20-21 - but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
for from anchient times moses has had in city after city those who preach him, because he is read aloud in the synagogues on every sabbath.. okay.
here's my question.
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Athanasius
From what I have read in a number of Bible commentaries, including the Anchor Bible, the dietary restrictions listed in Acts 15:20 has to do with table fellowship among Jewish and Gentile Christians. Gentile Christians, while being free of Old Testament dietary laws, were to abstain from certain dietary practices for the sake of the Jewish Christians.
The Expositor's Bible Commentary, Volume 9, page 448 says: "These prohibitions have often been viewed as a compromise between two warring parties, which nullified the effect of James's earlier words and made the decision of the Jerusalem Council unacceptable to Paul. But in reality they should be viewed not as dealing with the principial issue of the council but as meeting certain practical concerns; not as being primarily theological but more sociological in nature; not as divine ordinances for acceptance before God but as concessions to the scruples of others for the sake of harmony within the church and the continuance of the Jewish Christian mission."
The Watchtower as usual takes Acts 15:20 out of context.
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What is the Organization Trying to Acheive?
by The-Borg ini don't understand their mode of operation.. if they want lots of growth, why don't they just lighten up a bit and dispense with the whole charade of harshness and disfellowshipping.
encourage charitable works, social gatherings, education, freedom of speech, having a family etc etc etc.
this would greatly increase their numbers and their bottom line $$.. they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot at the moment.
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I think that the Watchtower is at the same place the former USSR was in the final decade of its existance. Currently the ailing Jaracz, the Watchtower Brezhnev is calling the shots. But once he dies someone else will take his place. Will Jaracz's replacement be the Watchtower Gorbachev?
The recent layoffs at Bethel, the switch to distributing cheap paperback books, and the million dollar pay outs to sexual assault victims indicate cash flow problems ahead for the organization. The exodus of members from the industrialized countries and the increase in third world JWs will further stretch the Watchtower's financial resources. If the Watchtower is to survive it will have to bring in affluent converts by broadening its religious structure to appeal to educated people.
Therefore, it is possible that a Watchtower Gorbachev, in an attempt to save the organization, will force through reforms that will make the Jehovah's Witness religion more mainstream.