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  its the begining part two

  by pepperheart in

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  its the begining of the end for jws in exjw websites i have found all these branch headquaters have closed down.

  ireland.

  estonia.

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  Athanasius

  Probably not the beginning of the end for JWism. But at least the end of the beginning.
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  Got my memorial invite yesterday...

  by OneEyedJoe in

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  i wasn't sure how this would be handled since the elders haven't harassed me as much as a lot of others have gotten, plus we live a ways outside of the territory so i figured there was a shot they'd leave me alone since it's inconvenient.

  guess not.

  two elders showed up unannounced toward the end of their recruiting shift.

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  During the 16 years that I've lived at my present address, the JWs have been by just two times. A couple of years ago two JWs came by looking for deaf people. Last year we weren't home when they stopped by, but they left a tract.

  So maybe this month they will come by with an invite.
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  Fleecing the Flock

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. scandals

  at the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).

  this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).

  if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.

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  Looks like a number of us on this forum attended CAs at the Yuba City AH. Originally our congregation was assigned to the Freemont AH, which was only an hour drive from home. But then in 75 or 76 we were transferred to YC AH, a 2 1/2 hr drive. So we had the additional expense of a motel room.

  Can't say that I have any fond memories of the place. Though I do remember that a group of JW teenagers got bored during the talks and went outside and dismantled the watering system. That was a hot topic at our next elders meeting.
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  "Reproach on Jehovah's name"

  by Phizzy in

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  2. beliefs

  the longer i am away from the cult, the more very childish and downright silly it seems in many many ways.. just another example of the childlike way they do not think things through is their obsession with "not bringing reproach on jehovah's name", that concept was used to stop jw's doing all sorts of stuff, a lot of it quite normal.. but the worst aspect of this concept is that they cover up the evil within their org any way they can.. yet they only have to look back on all the cover-ups of the past, by other religions, by politicians etc etc to see that an open acknowledgement and an open dealing with the situation at the time is far better.. cover-ups get exposed in the end, and leave you looking far worse than if dealt with honestly..

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  Athanasius

  If the JWs are so concerned about bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name, then perhaps they should change the name of their religion. Drop the name Jehovah's Witnesses and go back to being called Bible Students or some other innocuous title.
  
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  What kind of person was Nathan H. Knorr?

  by Hecce in

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  2. beliefs

  we have several examples in the forum showing that president knorr was not a loving and caring person; one that impressed me was the one about the elderly bethelite that was put out on the streets until his death due to a disagreement with knorr.

  i bring to your attention an incident that happened in the country of honduras back in the 50s, it has to do with immoral conduct by a branch overseer and his subsequent disfellowshiping.

  i am not critical of the end result of his conduct but rather the salacious and detailed report of this matter putting in the open the details for the whole world to see.

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  Barbara Grizzuti Harrison mentions the Charles De Wilda episode at Bethel and the missionary's suicide in her book VISIONS OF GLORY--A History and Memory of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Barbara Harrison served at Bethel during the time that the incidents took place and has written an excellent memoir confirming Bill Cetnar's account.
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  Funeral Memorial Service: Who was this mystery man?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  2. beliefs

  last night,my wife and i went to my cousins funeral memorial service.it wasn't as bad as i thought it was going to be.they had two video screens with pictures of my cousin from a baby to the end of his life.they stopped playing as soon as the service started and the screens were raised out of the way.. the family and close relatives arrived one hour earlier to find seats near the front rows and have a little family time.. there was a mystery man that was seated near the front with a tablet,a jw.org pin on his suit jacket and just sat there writing on his tablet the whole time without greeting anyone or even speaking.. does anyone know who this man could be?

  was he sent by the society to make sure everything went well?.

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  Maybe the elder giving the funeral talk is suspected of being an "apostate" and his BOE sent someone, unknown to those in attendance, to monitor the talk to make sure it was orthodox JWism and not infiltrated with "apostate lies."
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  Stupid Watchtower.

  by Darkknight757 in

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  2. bible

  february 8-14 asstower is titled " a living translation of god's word.

  note paragraph 4:.

  “4 despite the clear evidence that the personal name of god belongs in the bible, many translations completely omit the sacred name of god.

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  “4 Despite the clear evidence that the personal name of God belongs in the Bible, many translations completely omit the sacred name of God. In fact, just two years after the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures was released in 1950, the Revised Standard Version was published."

  In the above quote the Watchtower is up to their usual scholastic dishonesty. The Revised Standard New Testament was first published in 1946, four years ahead of the NW Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. In fact the NW Translation committee wasn't even formed until 1947. So Fred Franz had a copy of the RSV NT to consult as he put together the NWT.

  While the RSV Old Testament wasn't published until 1952, the Watchtower doesn't make that clarification. So the Watchtower editors leave the reader with the impression that the NWT was published two years before the RSV. Moreover, the first volume of the NWT Hebrew Scriptures wasn't published until 1953, one year after the complete RSV NT and OT was published.

  Therefore, Fred Franz had a good English version of the Bible to consult as he edited his Bible version to fit JW doctrine.
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  Stephen Lett at our assembly today

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

  wife typed up the whole thing.

  i will be posting when i get a chance.

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  Lett reminds me of the host of a children's show I used to watch on TV when I was six years old. His exaggerated expressions and tone of voice makes me think that Lett thinks his audience is made of kids ages 4 to 8 years old, or adults with the mental capacity of children in the 4 to 8 year old age group.
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  First Born Syndrom? -

  by elderINewton in

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  2. friends

  is it just me or does it seem like a large portion of first born children leave the "truth" or find ttatt?

  its weird for me, but of all the other people out i know (only about 20 ish) they are all first borns, and usually the wife is as well.

  just looking at this from a different lens and curious if others see the same.

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  I'm the first born, and I was the first of my immediate family to leave the Watchtower. My sister and her husband left the JWs six years later. My brother-in-law was the first born of his family and the first to leave, but his younger sister is still in. My cousin, who was also the first born, left the JWs, but his younger siblings are still in.

  My ex-wife's older sister, also the first born, left the JWs, but to my knowledge my ex-wife is still in.

  However, I also know of several families where the younger sibling left first and the first born is still in. Yet in my experience it seems that it's more common for the first born to be the first to leave.
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  The Governing Body does just what they say Apostates do

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  Athanasius

  Since Sister Morris seems to be focused on the householder's crotch, perhaps he isn't even wearing pants.