the people who care don't matter, and the people who matter don't care.. i'm asking because i notice that even though i've pretty much rejected everything connected with the religion, i still find myself setting out who i knew, who knew me, how involved i was, how many meeting/assembly/convention parts i had... on and on ad nauseum.
(it's nauseating.. remember when there were records and record players?
you'd get a skip in the record, then everytime you played it, the needle would fall in the skip.
You make a great point. The reason you feel that way is because this is the JW definition of...
Spiritual!
If you are not producing, following procedure, gaining priviledges, hanging out with the wrong people you are... (you guessed it)...
Not Spiritual!
JWs have no idea what "spiritual" versus "physical" means. Jesus said you would know them by their fruits, not their publisher cards.
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12 years of schooling (and never stayed back, either) for me.....and you?
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I graduated from Pioneer School and am currently enrolled in the Theocratic Ministry School. I have been an avid reader of the Awake! for over 25 years, thus obtaining a honorary doctorate at JWBSU.
Thankfully I never wasted my time corrupting my mind with worldly wisdom.
as you may know by now, i have filed a civil suit against the wts.
there was a tremendous amount of media coverage.
the story was on the national news for three straight days.
Shunned Father,
As soon as you posted on this forum, I started a Google News Alert with your dear daughter's name and receive any news of your situation. We are with you.
Please post in the "Blood" section of this forum. Your post will stand longer and show up in the appropriate section.
one thing i took pride in as a witnesss was that we knew our bible.
we could talk to any clergymen and smugly decimate them with our knowledge of the "truth".
The ability to maintain double lives and standards.
Why attractive? Get two sexually repressed JWs together, you'll find out why!
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when something is wrong in the congregation, the elders will say, "wait on jehovah to fix it", and when we are anxious for the new system, the elders will say, we must preach the kingdom first.. so, who is waiting on who?
Are we there yet??
put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.
jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.
you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.
From Bridging Science and Spirit by Norman Friedman (an interesting book that comments on David Bohm and quantum physics in realtion to spirituality):
Some might suggest that if time is an aspect of a timeless order, then determinism is a valid notion. But that is not the case. Our world is made up of happenings that have been selected, and areyet to be selected, from a vast sea of probable events. We are not restricted in our choice; free will does operate. ... The decomposed wave function in quantum theory represents this freedom. (pg 290)
So let me lay my belief on the line:
When I realized that this universe was perfectly "made", any rationalization for God having to fix it disappeared. I don't know about you, but if I going to go through the trouble to believe in a higher power, it's not going to be "Jehovah": the emotionally insecure creator of a fragile experiment, running amok with mutinous creatures.
how long are the media going to accept the jw news machine propagada?
check out this link for an african report of jw conventions.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200409070763.html.
How long are the media going to accept the JW news machine propagada? Check out this link for an African report of JW conventions.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200409070763.html
Notable was this quote from a JW:
"Emphasis was also put to children on how they can maintain good morals as the parents of tomorrow," said Mr HungukaI guess Africa won't get Armeggedon as soon as the rest of the world eh?
hey guys, .
i'm sure it's been done here before, but a very funny post by blondie spurred this thought.
blondie was saying how one dub would put wt and awake magazines in the rear car window and count time driving too and fro...
Any count of time in "the ministry" you hear for JWs is completely bogus. JWs are allowed to count driving time, walking time, knocking on unanwered door time. Plus the whole count is basically doubled because they go in twos. This gets ridiculous when you realize that 5 JWs will get in a car to do "calls", taking turns going to the doors, but all will count the time.
My favorite way to count time is to visit non-JW family. They know you are a JW, mention that you went to a convention, whatever. Count the whole day and a couple "Return Visits."
I also count my time on JWD. Only when I'm posting though, counting time while browsing offends my conscience.
put your waders on, we?re going in the deep end?.
jw premise: god created jesus, and then together they created everything else.. fact: time and space require at least two points to exist.
you cannot reference time or space with only one thing.. so before god created jesus, there was no way to measure time.
Ballistic: I think has confused a couple of posters and they have been side tracked from the main issue by trying to describe time.
Yes, but the consideration of "God and time" is a coffin nail in the Christain free-will idea. There is another thread on-going about free-will that will not die. I've noticed the discussion is a bit like Irish boxing. But the foundation of Christain free will becomes sand when you consider God unfettered by the mystery of the future.
Myelaine, I have enjoyed your contributions, no hijacking here. "Hijacking," thats were a person seizes control of a vehicle by use of force, especially to reach an alternate destination. Sounds like something God would do...
the watchtower as an icon seems to have been used by the wtbts as a tower to watch for the second coming of christ.
to watch for the things mentioned as precursors of the arrival.
over the years that has changed.
Very appropriate comparison. I'm wondering what you would liken radar to?
