well.....all you apostate bastards can relax now.........armageddons way the hell off!
according to the below article.....jehovahs somehow going to get in a good witness about him and his organisation to all the muslims, and buddists, and all the eastern religions, and all the banned countries.....before armageddon can come.
that's right.. if he can't get his dubs to do it door to door......he's going to perform some miracle finally, and get ye ol' watchtower and awake articles in their hands.
I didn't know 21 was the magic flame number.
You are right Gumby - this says that Jehovah will be satisfied to have his armageddon even though everyone wasn't warned. Loving. So why bother with missionary work?Nevertheless, the Bible does not state that Jehovah will wait until every individual on earth has received a personal witness. Rather, the good news must be preached to Jehovah?s satisfaction. Then the end will come
Why can't I turn off the highlighter? I didn't even turn it on.
the testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to .
the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of .
truth.
Daniel Fitzwater was released from prison at the end of May. He remains a JW in good standing. You can find his name on the Nevada sex abuse registry.Another point to this story is that we know that 17 victims came forward at least to the elders. I wonder, over the past 20 + years how many never said a word. ???
Oh god - that's a horrible, horrible story. There's another active thread about a guy who just got DF'ed for having "doubts" about the UN scandle. I'm sure many of us were DF'ed for lesser "crimes." That's just horrible and I can only imagine that he was welcomed back to the cong with open arms. But my mom won't eat a meal with me. I'm sick. I wonder if JW's who have kids will at least be careful around him. Probably not.
i left the borg in about 1979 of my own accord after having my eyes opened (and experiencing) the hypocrisies around me.. in 1982 i sucessfully left my jw husband, who devloped alcoholism, and became a wife-beater when he could no longer control me.
the elders in the congregation (i married into) told me i was to subject myself to my husband, and his justice.. beginning in 1987, i realized my own drinking problem was alcoholism, and i successfully got clean and sober in 1990.. attending that first meeting, on a summer sunday evening in 1987 was shear hell for me.
it was in the basement of a baptist church!
Hi Brenda
We have a lot in common. I was DF'ed 18 years ago when I was 18. I was already drinking and drugging a lot and it only got worse after I was let loose from the Borg by being DF'ed. When I was 25 I decided that some of my misery in life might be related to or exacerbated by my drinking. I went to AA in '93 and have been sober ever since. My life has also been getting progressively better ever since. I remember also feeling strange being the only one who didn't know the words to the Lords Prayer. I also remember telling my therapist that I didn't like the feeling of being brainwashed - I was trying to get away from that. He said my brain might need to be washed - funny because the JW's would say the same thing to a new recruit. I eventually accepted it because I actually found real freedom through AA. It is also what helped me find my spirituality and get over the abusive religiosity of my past.
Congrats to you on being sober and welcome to JWD!
I have also read Fr. Leo Booths books on religious addiction....great resources!!
something odd has happened, my 25 year-old mind is trapped in a 63 year-old body!
(sigh)
my hubby sent me a card that said "i'm so glad you decided to stick around for another year!
Isn't it great to celebrate!!!
Hope you have a great one!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SUNSPOT!!!!
i was wondering if anyone has any official documents from mexico showing that mexicans were never prohibited from engaging in religious activities such as singing and praying during the time period that the mexican jw's classified themselves as a culteral organization for the purpose of owning property.
(was that sentence long enough?jeez) or that what did change (when the mexican jw's were brought to tears over the new freedom to sing and pray) was actually the ability for religious entities to own property.. also, does anyone know how the rank & file mexican jw's rationalized the fact that other religious people were able to pray and sing during this time period?.
i hope that all made sense.. thanks
Okay - I found most of what I was looking for. I posted it in case anyone else is interested.
The constitution of 1917 Click here: 1917 Constitution of Mexico
Article 24 . Everyone is free to embrace the religion of his choice and to practice all ceremonies, devotions, or observances of his respective faith, either in places of public worship or at home, provided they do not constitute an offense punishable by law.:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Every religious act of public worship must be performed strictly inside places of public worship, which shall at all times be under governmental supervision.
This is interesting. This is apparently the loophole the JW's used. Note that they were still not supposed to own the property.
maybe this is a questions i should be asking a active jw but they wouldnt like my question after their answer.
because i was reading an article that was talking about jesus came in 1918 or something to that matter, so more cockamamy s**t. but how do they feel about if an "anointed" person turns away from jehovah are they still considered anointed?
like for instance someone has been partaking of the emblems and for some weird reason they get df'd or just decide to stop taking the emblems.
Good question. Amazing1914 - you finally answered my question about it. I also thought that if an annointed person left the JW's or was DF'ed - another person was selected. But then what would happen if the DF'ed person came back....would the newbie then be un-annointed? So your response answers that.
But if the annointing began at pentacost...wasn't that a really long time ago?? How could there possibly still be 8000 living annointed persons? Also a person is annointed and of the FDS class, then why isn't everything they say considered significant holy communication? Only what the 12-17 in Brooklyn says counts as anything. How do they explain that?
Sorry - I have a lot more questions than answers!
I've spent a lot of time in therapy and it has made ALL the difference! I think its only a tool - it helped me with my recovery - but the responsibility was and is mine. I'm just saying don't expect a miracle cure - it will help if you have an open mind and go into it wanting help and willing to do the emotional work.
I understand your manly desire to do it all on your own. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you had a medical problem...wouldn't you go to a medical doctor if you needed medical help?
You could just try it. You could commit to 3 months of therapy. If you hate it and don't see any value to it - you can drop out and be miserable again!
Also, it's okay to shop for a therapist. If you don't feel comfortable - try another. Sometimes they will say things that you won't like - that's different. Its important to feel safe and understood.
Good luck!!
i was wondering if anyone has any official documents from mexico showing that mexicans were never prohibited from engaging in religious activities such as singing and praying during the time period that the mexican jw's classified themselves as a culteral organization for the purpose of owning property.
(was that sentence long enough?jeez) or that what did change (when the mexican jw's were brought to tears over the new freedom to sing and pray) was actually the ability for religious entities to own property.. also, does anyone know how the rank & file mexican jw's rationalized the fact that other religious people were able to pray and sing during this time period?.
i hope that all made sense.. thanks
The constitution of 1917. The constitution of 1917 highlighted and institutionalized many of the nineteenth-century secular reforms. The new constitution included at least five articles that affected all religious groups, regardless of denomination. These articles, which remained in effect until 1992, appeared to preclude any national role for the Roman Catholic Church. Article 3 forbade churches from participating in primary and secondary education. Article 5 prohibited the establishment of religious orders. Article 24 mandated that all religious ceremonies occur within church buildings. Article 27 gave the state ownership of all church buildings.
Okay - I'm posting on my own thread. I found this on the internet - I didn't highlight the blue - just the yello. Now I'm confused....what does article 5 mean? Article 24 makes it sound like they COULD pray and sing. Article 27 makes Ray's point but does article 5 validate the JW point?
i have a post from another forum that i am very interested in, but, i would love to hear a few of your views on the subject.. i am now going to dig into my bible to have a look to see what he is talking about, but i know that the view of jehovah's witnesses is about as close to the best intereptation of the bible there is...this is the post..... "-the eastern or golden gate, which was sealed for almost a 1200 years is a key part to bible prophecy.
ezekiel recorded the prophecy about the closing of this gate.
he told how the lord brought him to the eastern gate.. .
I know that the view of Jehovah's witnesses is about as close to the best intereptation of the bible there is...
I couldn't even finish reading all that bibley gobbeldy gook. I can't help you with that. But I can help you with the above statement. How do you "know" that? Keep reading this site and you will learn A LOT about the JW's. You can also try Quotes.com.
Good luck with the information you are looking for.
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
Thanks for breaking that down for me. It finally makes sense. Actually the way I found this site and others like it was because someone told me about Freemason's. I had never heard of them so I google'd it. One of the first things I stumbled across was that Charles Taze Russell was a Freemason and a high ranking Freemason financed him to start the religion. Also read about the Mormons being essentially the same religion. I still don't know much about it but I am interested to read the responses your post will get.
Thanks
