personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.
I see it on TV EVERY time there is an execution....people with bullhorns and signs and candles and vigils...for the poor serial killer....
Well, that's how you interpreted it. I've personally never seen anyone talk about the "poor serial killer child rapists" and his rights.
People that protest executions usually put forth the same arguments as we are seeing on this thread: That the system has many problems and is ethically wrong.
a hundred years ago or so, when women did not all look the same and screech like ancient hinges, and strip malls were just a nightmare in a squirrels mind, i wrote a jazz column for a newspaper.
it did not last long as i was eaten up by the wt and became a regular pioneer with an irregular notion and a pile of scruffy s8's.. .
i well remember one issue in which i took great exception to a comment made by duke ellington which seemed to me to be far to general and subjective to make much sense.
Coryell, it seems,certainly does not feel my statement to be 'ridiculous'.
By your logic he never should have bothered playing until he got proper training?
I'm sorry, but I still find your assertion elitist and ridiculous. While they might have encouraged the study of music, none of the truly great (jazz)musicians of the last century: Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charles Mingus, Monk, etc. would have ever made a statement like that. And I would challenge you to find one.
People used to make fun of Charlie Parker for listening to country music on the jukebox, "Why do you listen to that stuff."
He'd say "Listen to it. There's a real story there."
personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.
What purpose does it serve?
It proves that we really do find murder unacceptable.
You don't cage a rabid wolf, you put it down.
Nice, you got me there.
personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.
Funny thing is all the sympathy and tears for these predators...
Opposing the death penalty does not equal "sympathy & tears" for murderers, get real.
Can you cite one example of this "sympathy" from this entire thread?
personally, i have nothing against executing wanton murderers.
By keeping sociapathic, homicidal people in government supplied housing complete with free meals, education and medical services?
Gawd damn, what is it with you people and the "free room & board" argument!? You don't mind spending THREE times as much to execute them, just so they dont get a "free ride"?
And if they behave they'll let them leave so they can go back to terrifying innocent people?
Listen folks, it's called "life in prison WITHOUT PAROLE."
prince charles was driving on his mother's estate when he accidentally ran over her favorite dog, killing it instantly.
he jumped out of his car and sat down on the grass, distraught.
suddenly he noticed a lamp half buried in the ground.
Is that a true story?
yes.
a hundred years ago or so, when women did not all look the same and screech like ancient hinges, and strip malls were just a nightmare in a squirrels mind, i wrote a jazz column for a newspaper.
it did not last long as i was eaten up by the wt and became a regular pioneer with an irregular notion and a pile of scruffy s8's.. .
i well remember one issue in which i took great exception to a comment made by duke ellington which seemed to me to be far to general and subjective to make much sense.
(OK, I know this is an ancient thread, but when I saw it I had to reply. )
Talesin,
If I'm reading you right, HS, even though bad music may be considered good art by some (ie, it moves people and they enjoy hearing it), technically it's still poorly written/performed/arranged (or whatever), and is, therefore, still intrinsically "bad music".Yes, you have summed up ny own and imho Ellingtons viewpoint perfectly.
Most folks only listen to music, they neither compose nor study it. They are left to judge the music by its artistic value onlyThat is true, but can a person who cannot speak a particular foreign language claim to understand its nuances just because they catch and understand the occasional word? I suggest that most people do not know what is good and what is bad music because they cannot speak the language of music, and if they did they would quickly discard what they have accepted as good music and move on to 'better' things.
Minimus,
I remember when rap first came out, a music teacher snootily told me that she would not allow any rappin' in her class because it "wasn't music".Might it be that your snooty music teacher, who is trained in her subject, knows better than you who are not? As it is, I agree with her. Rap is not music in any conventional sense of the word, and will only survive as long as young people are its audience and fashion its master. It is the artistic equivalent of paint-by-numbers, with a switchblade and two gold teeth thrown in.
Best regards - HS
even though bad music may be considered good art by some (ie, it moves people and they enjoy hearing it), technically it's still poorly written/performed/arranged (or whatever), and is, therefore, still intrinsically "bad music".
Many musicians have used the "two kinds of music" analogy, and it's very doubtful that this is what Ellington meant by his statement.
"Good" music has something original to say, takes risks, is rooted in the past while still looking forward, and most importantly is honest.
"Bad" music is unoriginal, derivative, pandering, lazy, and dishonest.
IMO this is what most musicians mean when they say "They're are two kinds of music...". In my experiences, I've found that any musician who feels "good" music is based on technical proficiency and complexity, will always make music that is completely uninteresting to me.
I suggest that most people do not know what is good and what is bad music because they cannot speak the language of music, and if they did they would quickly discard what they have accepted as good music and move on to 'better' things.
Musicians who make music only for those who "speak the language"(i.e. other musicians) are completely missing the boat. Music is communication, why would you purposely limit your audience in that way? Really good music has many layers to it, that can be appreciated by people of varying degrees of musical knowledge.
I've found that the more I learn about music, the more I can enjoy complex music that I might not have "got" before. But I've also found that my respect for "simple" and "crude" music increases as well. The fewer "brush strokes" an artist can use, and still convey their message, definitely factors into my definition of "good" music.
Might it be that your snooty music teacher, who is trained in her subject, knows better than you who are not?
That's ridiculous. Do you really think someone needs "training" to determine what is good or bad music. Or what is or isn't music?
Historians rarely make good musicians(e.g. Wynton Marsalis ).
this is a new book released this year.
did this get posted before and i missed it?
if not, take a look, especially the reviews... lmao
Does your congregation treat you like Brother Bobby Nobody?
Apply the principles of Dynamic Mental Tension revealed here by John Meyers in your life, and watch as a whole New World™ opens up for you! Get tight with the "good ol' boys!" Sieze control of every Theocratic opportunity and suck all the sweet nectar out of it! The same methods that worked for Joe Rutherford, Nick Machiavelli and Stalin can work for YOU!
That is so frickin' sweet!
quite a while ago i mentioned to my parents about the un scandal but they didn't seem too interested, but when i called in the other day my mother mentioned it to me again.
they had a elder and his wife (family friends who i was previously very very close to) staying with them for the convention and discussed it with them.
the elders wife is a very strong personality and super-spiritual but when she heard of the scandal back in spring she had a huge problem with it.
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf
4 March 2004
To Whom It May Concern,
Recently the NGO Section has been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the association of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York with the Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities.
In October 2001, the Main Representative of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York to the United Nations, Giro Aulicino, requested termination of its association with DPI. Following this request, the DPI made a decision to disassociate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York as of 9 October 2001.
Please be informed that it is the policy of the Department of Public Information of the United Nations to keep correspondence between the United Nations and NGOs associated with DPI confidential. However, please see below the paragraph included in all letters sent to NGOs approved for association in 1992:
"The principal purpose of association of non-governmental organizations with the United Nations Department of Public Information is the redissemination of information in order to increase public understanding of the principles, activities and achievements of the United Nations and its Agencies. Consequently, it is important that you should keep us informed about your organization's information programme as it relates to the United Nations, including sending us issues of your relevant publications. We are enclosing a brochure on the "The United Nations and Non-Governmental Organizations", which will give you some information regarding the NGO relationship."
In addition, the criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI include the following:
We expect that you will share this information with your concerned colleagues, as we are unable to address the scores of duplicate requests regarding the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society that are being directed to our offices. Thank you for your interest in the work of the United Nations.
Sincerely,
Paul Hoeffel
Chief
NGO Section
Department of Public Information
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963129368/qid=1122010917/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/104-5402547-2187102?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
has anyone read this?
looks kind of interesting.
Book Description
More than any other religion in recent history, Jehovah's Witnesses have quietly and positively impacted the black community. Yet, some are concerned that the needs of African Americans, and Black Witnesses specifically, have been overlooked. Others argue that the predominantly white Governing Body is insensitive toward black plight.This book deals squarely with these and other issues facing today's black Witnesses. Dr. Firpo W. Carr, an active Witness himself for over 35 years (and full-time minister for over 20 of those years), has traveled to black communities in major cities across the United States--from Harlem to Oakland--in an effort to carefully study and critique black Witnesses. The results have been discribed as "riveting."
Though the focus of his study was in the United States, he traveled to Cuba to study black Witnesses and their history on the Communist island. Fidel Castro elected to air Carr's 45-minute lecture on racism nationwide.
On both ends of the sociopolitical spectrum Carr's works have been widely accepted and admired. Legacy, "Africa's leading magazine on social issues," the original Black Panther Party, and many others have recognized and published Carr.
The results have been discribed as "riveting."
And who's your source on this? The authors mother?
Fidel Castro elected to air Carr's 45-minute lecture on racism nationwide.
Wow, what validation!
