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.....how about if we do some research, read some profiles of some posters that we don't readily recognize, and say something nice about them?.
-breck
Nice idea! Here's a few:
G-Money - He's way over the top in his opinions, although often times right on the (no pun intended) money!
funkyderek - great sense of humor, and very intelligent responses to very unintelligent people.
low-key lysmith - fellow Washington homie, good sense of humor, and a Ween fan too.
peace, 6-6-69
can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??
this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.
makes me sick!
Abaddon-
So, no one supporting Irving's 'freedom of speech' has any comment about;
- the unavoidable restriction of freedoms to those targetted by his speech? What about their freedom ladies and gentlemen?
- the fact that there are recognised restrictions on freedoms of speech when they can result in harm?
- why it's okay to infringe human rights to defend the West, but not to defend Jews?
To my knowledge he has never advocated violence against anyone. While his views are certainly ridiculous, I don't buy the tired old "yelling 'Fire!' in a movie theater" analogy. He should be free to express his (imo) twisted view of history, without being jailed.
This is a LIE. It is not an opinion. Just as a physicist saying g=3.4 m/s/s at sea-level would be lying, and demonstrably so, so to someone making this statement is lying, and demonstrably so. If is not a protected freedom of speech, as lying about facts for gain is fraud, not freedom of speech.
No, it's not. Just because a statement can be proven wrong doesn't make it a lie. Do you honestly feel that he doesn't believe these views he expresses?
... this is lying with a deliberate end in mind; recruitment of people to his 'cause' of anti-Semetic, nazi-apologism, Holocaust denial. And the end product of those causes is VIOLENCE.
That's your conclusion. Please show an example where violence is specifically advocated by him.
When did you get told a lie at school comparable to "six million people didn't die, those who did died of disease rather than gassing, no one planned it, especially not Hitler, and the Jews had it coming and are still trying to control the world"? What school did you go to!
How about "Columbus discovered America"? We even have a national Holiday for him here.
I went to an average American public school, where many unflattering subjects are omitted or glossed over.
Such as, the extermination (holocaust?) of the Native Americans; the fact that, all but one of the founding fathers of our "great democracy" were slave owners ("...all men are created equal"?); hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (can you say "terrorism"?).
Unfortunately if you believe this is about differing opinions you have fallen for the story Nazi revisonists use to justify their denial of fact. There is, nor has there been, nor will there be any limit of scholarly research into WWII and the Holocaust. The Holocaust revisonists make it out that this is what it is about. It isn't.
No, I don't believe I have fallen for anything. I believe that a person can come to whatever conclusion they want to. And criminalizing someones take on history (as repugnant, and ridiculous as it may be), is wrong.
Why not answer the points I made and show me what he does is a justified use of freedom of speech? I know sarcasm is easy, how about a little structured debate?Doesn't having to justify what you say kind of defeat the purpose of freedom of speech?
jonathan's parents have been reading his blog, and are upset that it makes them sound like "monsters".
leave a comment on his space for them to read, if you like.
http://spaces.msn.com/jonathanwhistman/personalspace.aspx?_c=.
Jonathan's parents have been reading his blog, and are upset that it makes them sound like "monsters".
What do you think? Leave a comment on his space for them to read, if you like.
http://spaces.msn.com/jonathanwhistman/PersonalSpace.aspx?_c=
can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??
this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.
makes me sick!
It is irresponsible to be a "historian" purposely espousing lies that do have an effect upon young and older minds like neo-nazis. Adding fuel to their fire is wrong.
He's not "purposely espousing lies", as he most certainly believes what he speaks and writes.
I don't agree with his beliefs, but I think it's dangerous to "close the history books", and not let anyone have a differing
opinion from the "accepted" version of events.
what is all this carry on (controversy) about "brokeback mountain"?
my goodness, they are acting like 12-year-olds.
get a life - what is this the dark ages?.
Destitute, uneducated unfortunates in the middle east have an excuse for their superstitious nonsense and prejudices. Texans have no such excuse.
Sorry SBF, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
A large number of Texans are destitute, uneducated unfortunates who believe in superstitious nonsense and prejudices.
what is all this carry on (controversy) about "brokeback mountain"?
my goodness, they are acting like 12-year-olds.
get a life - what is this the dark ages?.
You are falling hook, line and sinker for a loud, vocal minority.
Sorry, but it's a loud, vocal majority. Last years election proved that.
I think everything slimboyfat said is accurate. That's how America is perceived, because that's how most Americans feel.
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all taken from the 2003 convention at the millenium stadium in cardiff.
the phrase "rattling about" comes to mind.
"The two brothers from GlenBrokeback, couldn't
help but feel like they were being shunned."
can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??
this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.
makes me sick!
This isn't about freedom of speech.
Yes it is. Plain and simple.
He did not deny that Jews were killed, rather he disputed major parts of accepted history (i.e. gas chambers at Auschwitz, how much Hitler knew about the killings, etc.). He also admitted that he no longer believed many of the things he said, in the 1989 speech that he was tried for.
I don't agree with his views on the subject, but I don't find it anymore offensive that the bullshit history I was taught in school.
It's ridiculous that he's being jailed for this.
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this looks kind of dated but it's really good..
I forgot about this video. Checked it out from the library several years ago.
I love the helicopter shots, and ominous music in the opening sequence.
religion today
monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .
new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.
nice!
