Yes.
Axelspeed
straight from the wts website: .
"have you ever wondered .
do jehovah's witnesses believe that they are the only ones who will be saved?
Yes.
Axelspeed
on another thread a poster talked about getting beat over the head with a certain banner ad.
now everytime i come to the site i seem to be getting hit with this one:.
joseph smith .
Actually, I'm about as far away from organized religion as you can get...been burned enough for 2 lifetimes.
I just wonder about those who really do go for this stuff. I tolerate religion and use it as a study in human nature, but this kind of stuff....i just shake my head
Axelspeed
on another thread a poster talked about getting beat over the head with a certain banner ad.
now everytime i come to the site i seem to be getting hit with this one:.
joseph smith .
On another thread a poster talked about getting beat over the head with a certain banner ad.
Now everytime I come to the site I seem to be getting hit with this one:
Joseph Smith
Learn about the visit of Jesus Christ to ancient America.
www.josephsmith.com I won't even comment on what I think as I try to live and let live now, and at most just shake my head...but I have to ask rhetorically, is someone intentionally trying to make it hard for me to like religion? Axelspeed
there is an article featured on the watchtower official site about how christmas has lost christ.
what exactly is their problem with this?
they have been trying to tell people for years that jesus wasn't born at christmas time, and then they get upset when other people behave the same way.
I find it interesting that on one hand the WT finds it within itself to allow certain celebrations, such as those involving pinatas, because in their own words, they have lost religious significance and so are allowable.
But then in the next breath condemn other celebrations, i.e. Chrismas, because they arent religious enough.
Axelspeed
if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?
have i ever misled you?
i'll answer that--no!
if I was still a JW and found out about this, I really believe I would immediately walk away from the WT and never look back.
I'm looking forward to this...consider me teased!
I am reminded though:
“All forms of dedication, devotion loyalty and self-surrender are in essence a desperate clinging to something which might give worth and meaning to our futile, spoiled lives. Hence the embracing of a substitute will necessarily be passionate and extreme. We can have qualified confidence in ourselves, but the faith in our nation, religion, race or holy cause has to be extravagant and uncompromising. A substitute embraced in moderation cannot supplant and efface the self we want to forget. We cannot be sure that we have something worth living for unless we are ready to die for it. This readiness to die is evidence to ourselves and others that what we had to take as a substitute for an irrevocably missed or spoiled first choice is indeed the best there ever was.” - True Believer, Eric Hoffer
Yeah...Although I believe the WT is already imploding slowing, I still tragically remain a cynic as I lament over the more gullible aspects of human nature...but I hope whatever it is gets some of my family seeing (or admitting to) the light. I am eagerly awaiting the news though!
Axelspeed
hi all, last time i posted this topic, it was copied from e-watchman's site, i cannot take credit for that article.
however, i have the jan 15 wt now, and here are the rest of the paragraphs.
1st study article.
"Jehovah the God of truth" blesses only his truthful Witnesses. The wicked have no right to represent him.
This seems to suggest that they believe there are some un-truthful witnesses lurking among the ranks, who have no business calling themselves JWs. ;)
Axelspeed
ok i just finished watching antwone fisher.
it's not the first time i've watched it.not even the second or third time.
i've seen it a lot.
My Life with Michael Keaton
and
Driving Miss Daisy
i just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
Thanks Blondie ...it has.
The other elder said that there was nothing more important than Jehovah and his organization and that this should be my first priority. I corrected him and said that my family was my first priority and he said no, Jehovah’s organization was my first priority. What?
With this statement, they are counting on your youth and compliant nature to guilt and bully you into staying in line. If there is any irony here, it is that I noticed a lot, and I mean a lot, of long time elders who were just willing to coast. Not having any other social circle, besides that of the "elders club", to go to and to hang out with...they just trudge along.
A lot are more than willing to hand the reins of privilege (work) to the young and the gung-ho. Many of the old timers have been there-done that, and secretly wish they could wiggle out of more of whats on their plate.
Axelspeed
i just returned home from the kingdom hall.
i am an elder.. after the meeting all the elders were called to the back room.
i thought this was an impromptu elders' meeting.
If you are having a problem with the direct confrontation (and an inability to say no), I would suggest changing congregations if you can. They will try to talk you out of it, but do it. Say your family needs a change or something. They will send a letter of introduction to your new congregation.
No doubt the body at your new congregation will be happy to see another prospective elder on their body. This may give you a few months of elder-free duty for a few months until the CO comes around. He will visit your new congregation, they will probably discuss you briefly as a formality during the elders meeting for the week, and recommend you. They will send it off and when it comes back, probably within a couple of weeks after the CO leaves, they will ask you then if you will accept the recommendation. At this point...JUST SAY NO and that you would like to spend more time "building your family up spiritually."
It may be a little easier as you will have less of an emotional attachment to this new elder body. Believe me, I understand. In the future I will share more of my own story.
Axelspeed
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
These are taken from Orwell’s 1984. You have to read the book to get the full meaning of what he was saying. But it started me to thinking how powerful an influence a person or group can wield just by the simple act of renaming something and appealing to human nature and the ego that comes with it.
In the WT these three come to my mind.
MISERY IS REFRESHMENT
HATRED IS LOVE
WORK IS PRIVILEGE
MISERY IS REFRESHMENT
Let’s face it, though a few did enjoy it, for most of us field service was misery. Getting up every Sat morning when you’d rather be sleep or watching cartoons. Yet, we were always taught that what we were doing would actually be REFRESHING. I grew up in it and I can honestly say I never really enjoyed it. If there was any satisfaction at the time, it was because I knew I would have some hrs. I could report honestly at the end of the month.
HATRED IS LOVE
Most JWs honestly feel that by their cruel treatment of others through shunning, it is actually LOVE. I think that most here can attest that this does little to really draw people back, at least for the right reasons. If anything, it truly exposes the iron fist in the velvet glove.
WORK IS PRIVILEGE
Anything normally called work is simply renamed PRIVELEGE. Does the hall lawn need to be mowed? –we’ll call it a privilege and reserve it for those who are reaching out by the performance of other work …I mean PRIVELEGE…by regular FS.
Need a microphone man? Call it a PRIVELEGE and watch the young brothers jump through hoops to be one.
Need a Literature or Mag Servant? Yes, call it a PRIVELIGE.
Need more MS to do some of the work elders don’t really want to do? Again, call it a PRIVILEGE
Want people to put in work with the goal to put in Regular Monthly Work…but with a quota? Call them Pioneers…and then call it a PRIVILEGE
Need more elders? You got it…call it a PRIVELIGE. (If you never were one you didn’t miss a thing…except more work)
Can you think of more?
Axelspeed