Posts by Axelspeed

The new-style 2006 version of the card is quite interesting tho (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/104206/1.ashx), it gives one the choice to accept ... autologous procedures

Willy, I had not noticed that before, even though I'm sure I saw that thread. I would like confirmation on that as well. If it is true, it would only add to the opinion that someone is being deliberately deceptive about the whole issue as opposed to any supposed power struggle.

But I might be missing what's new. I take it that the "BIG NEWS" is that what Barbara reported last month made it to the papers. But I see nothing "new" to a JW sitting in a KH.

Min, You are correct. There is nothing new in the article per se for any person who has any interest in this issue and has been following the WT's shifts concerning this issue. Any informed person has already realized the confusion and contradictions the policy presents. What IS news is that 1) A legal argument has been presented that proposes a basis for compensation due to loss because of the blood policy. That is something that is new and NEWS. 2) These exposes provide some clarity to what many believe to be a purposely ambiguous policy, if nothing else. With continued exposure, especially in the mainstream press as opposed to coming from John Doe Apostate, hopefully more JWs will start thinking about the issues presented and how the decisions being decided/discussed are of critical importance. Most publishers, even some elders, don't have a clue. They believe that the issues are too complex for them to understand themselves. They see the medical terminology being used by the WT...and it all begins to look like gobbley-gook. In frustration most give up and trust that those in charge know what they are doing. Providing more clarity as to the real policy may not be news to those already informed, but for a JW who is presently confused, it would be NEWS. Axel

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IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

by DannyHaszard in

religion today

monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

Axelspeed

don't see how one would take it as "meaning that all blood fractions are bad" at all since that isn't even the topic or issue of the paragraph.

Eduardo,

I went back and re-read the paragraph in question. I also re-read the question and how it might be understood to read.

Then I walked away, thought about it some more, ... then came back and looked at the letter again. I understand that fractions per se are not the main thrust of the paragraph. But with this wording, taken within the totality of the JW blood policy, some confusing and/or misleading implications and inferences are being made. I won't go back and forth on this, but I stand by my comments.

Just my .02

Axel

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IT HAS BEGUN "BIG" NEWS ON AP NEWS WIRE

by DannyHaszard in

religion today

monterey county herald, ca - 2 minutes ago .

new york - jehovah's witnesses are renowned for teaching that jesus is not god and that the world as we know it will soon end.

Axelspeed

"Can any doctor or hospital give complete assurance that blood or blood fractions will not be used in treatment of a minor?"

Eduardo

If I were someone who never had contact with the Witnesses.... or even someone who is currently a Witness, but totally confused about the Society's current stand on fractions I would take (by implication from the above question) that all fractions are bad.

I dont know how much more could have been done to be more confusing/misleading.

I can understand, and so forgive the fact that the AP writer may not be aware of all the nuances of Witness sub-culture and how it translates to there written and spoken word...and in many cases the unwritten word i.e. unwritten rules.

But I will also state that sometimes you appear to be just as lost in understanding the JW culture, and therefore how the above question is intended to come across and the conclusion that Witnesses are expected to read into or come to as a result of that question. If I may ask, just how long were you a Witness?

I will not speak as having all the facts, but it appears that they are caught in a vise of their own doing. They are trying to find there way out of a very big mess by cloaking there words in ways that cause confusion and remain vague. Finding their way out wont be easy. It may take a bit, but I believe the ball is rolling.

I believe the article will stir more to think about the issues involved as the article is being printed in mainstream sources. This article explains the current JW position more clearly than all 5 pages of the HLC letter.

Axel

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WALKING IN THE PATH OF INCREASING LIGHT - WT STUDY

by Mary in

jw
friends

for those of you not "keeping up with the organization"botchtower deals soley with all the bullshit instances of "increased light" on this joke of a religion god's organization.

it asks many drone-like thought-provoking questions as i've listed below.

incredible that these guys claim to be the sole ownership of what is absolute "truth", yet change doctrines like i change lipsticks.

Axelspeed

Well, as long as everybody else is giving a guess…. Remember the deleted chapters in the revamped Worship book? I believe it could be anything surrounding any of these 3 missing chapters. Chap 14: I Make a Covenant With You for a Kingdom Chap 19: What the Mosaic Law Means to You Chap 20: Life and Blood- Do You Treat Them as Sacred? After reading the posts, if there is a change it could be something surrounding the 144,000 and 1935, too, which is something that was covered in chapter 14., one of the deleted chapters.

A “great crowd” out of all nations would be gathered, with the thrilling prospect of surviving the great tribulation and living forever in perfection amid an earthly Paradise. When we consider what has actually occurred, it seems evident that the heavenly calling in general was completed by about the year 1935 C.E., when the earthly hope of the “great crowd” was clearly discerned. (Page 112, par.6)

I think the answer could lie in any of the above 3 chapters, but it’s just a guess. Axel

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current time requirements?

by carla in

jw
friends

anybody have the current 'time requirements' for reg.

publishers, pioneers, etc..?

also, can you tell me what are the duties of a ms besides holding the coveted microphone?

Axelspeed

But in nearly every congregation there is at least one Brother or Sister Weneversee, who doesn't EVER meet for service (unless the CO is in town) but gets slightly over the national average every month anyway. The subject of much discussion. How they get so much time is such a mystery.

lol...we used to call those Secret Service hours.

Axel

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Real 'BIG' news WTS sued biggie worker compensation

by DannyHaszard in

jehovah's loses comp case

church may be forced to pay millions

by jess wisloski.

Axelspeed

Great news! It seems to be coming in more frequently.

Remind me never to cross Danny H.

Axel

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Got braces?

by Jourles in

jw
friends

well i'm finally doing it.

i'm getting braces again.

back when i was quite younger, i had removable braces.

Axelspeed

Yes, I got them at an older age and dont regret it at all. It was one of the first things I did when I realized that I would probably be around for a while and the End was not right around the corner.

The time went by faster than than I expected.

I got used to them after a while...

The fact that I was taking care of myself, I think the perception was that I was conscious and cared about my appearance.

Never got the feeling that I came across as nerdy...when you're older, it seems to mean something different and didnt seem to hurt in the looks/attractiveness dept. as much as I imagined it would...at least that was my experience (or what I wanted to believe anyway)

Do it, you'll be fine.

Axel

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How will they spin 'the Bethel layoffs'?

by AK - Jeff in

i think they will call it 'keeping the eye simple'.

we found ways to reduce the bethel force in order to put more emphasis on the 'preaching work'.

probably in a km article.. or maybe that has been done and i missed it already.. jeff

Axelspeed

...forgot to answer the question. I've already heard this one:

"They [WT] want us to concentrate more on the preaching work."

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How will they spin 'the Bethel layoffs'?

by AK - Jeff in

i think they will call it 'keeping the eye simple'.

we found ways to reduce the bethel force in order to put more emphasis on the 'preaching work'.

probably in a km article.. or maybe that has been done and i missed it already.. jeff

Axelspeed

One thing I always hate is when I do something that later turns out not to have been the smartest of moves...and then later there is suddenly a rush of people who suddenly show up and say "Well you should've done this" or "You shouldve done that".

Its even worst when they preface it with something like "Well I started to say something, but...."

It is with those thoughts that I make the following suggestion to exiting Bethelites:

Get what you can and what you think you may need...while you can. Once out, no matter how its framed or labeled, in financial real world dollar terms, most of you will basically have the same benefits plan as a Regular Pioneer with all its many benefits. COs, if one is able to snag one of these spots, may have it a bit better for a while anyway. For the rest, good luck on the job search. Bethelites- take note, you will be entering the real world now. No more cooked meals, made beds, automatic laundry service, medical. Get what you can while you can. If you have access to compelling inside documents that may later be of use...get while you can, you never know when you'll need it and wish you had. Yes, the friends will assist ...for a while, but ultimately it will only be you and your spouse. In the real world, when they lay people off, they will often wait till the last moment to let them know...and then proceed to have someone accompany them out the door. There is a reason they do this. Axel