Posts by Axelspeed

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DC, all but gave directions to the JWD site

by ocsrf in

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i found the dc very interesting this year do to my reading of this site.

i took note that the danger of the internet was menitioned no less than three times, once with a demonstration showing a brother who found a site by a innocent search of the web on a jw subject to the very last talk, concluding remarks and final "resolution" that consisted of 10 items with number 10 staying away from dangerous sites and chat rooms.. makes you wonder what the real story is behind that much attention being given to this problem iof theirs.. oc

Axelspeed

"hmmm let me just do a search for Jehovah's Witnesses"

If that was the exact quote, it is as about as close to a personal invitation to "search" as you can get. Somebody at headquarters is either very naive or very smart. You be the judge.

Axel

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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Axelspeed

First I must say that you were very cool under pressure and I thought you got a great interview. Yes, he could have revealed more, but he is the PR guy, and he was skating the watered down fine line as about as close as a JW can. It is kind of disappointing what JR is reduced to shoveling now. I think you took it as far as you could without raising any flags.

I did find a some of his comments interesting and worthy of reference down the road. These are a couple of them:

(8:20) He stated that there were no prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah "or other prophets" in the organization today. And then answered "no, no" to the question of whether the organization was spirit-inspired or spirit directed. It was done in a quick perfunctory way, but done nonetheless. This would seem to be in direct contradiction to the following question for baptism:

"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?"
(11:20) We don't go out and say we are the only true religion. I haven't looked and don't have the inclination to, but I think there are many references that could be found where they say they are.

At around the 30 min. mark I got a good laugh when you said "other members of the...is it...Waco family?" and then quickly corrected that it was more accurately Wallkill by Brown. Nice touch for a worldly reporter.

Axel

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new too

by RaceBannon in

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friends

i am one confused dude and need serious therapy.

leaving is very tough.

my family are in a life and death race to save me before "the end".

Axelspeed

The first question I would ask you is do you still believe in the JW beliefs? Do you want to return? ...and why? Because of family pressure?
It is seriously not worth it. Just walk away, dont look back and enjoy your life. I would seriously re-consider subjecting yourself to that kind of humiliating tribunal. The only power these guys have is what you give them.
If you are having doubts, but still not sure there is a lot a reading you can do to allay your fears. A good site to start with is freeminds.org, and then plenty of books (Crisis of Conscience, or something like Orwell's 1984 -- a book nothing about JWs but yet everything about JWs)

Stick around.

Axel

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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Axelspeed

I feel ya Jourles!

I have one word...unbelieveable!

Axel

(Lisa... )

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Cano Is The Tip Of the Iceberg

by metatron in

is the watchtower organization filled with child molesters?

maybe not - but the cano incident should make us think about an allied problem,.

namely, general corruption and rot.. many years ago, it was not unknown to find strange photos and other materials in a bethel brother's room, after he died unexpectedly.. that doesn't prove that there is a massive problem with child molestation.

Axelspeed

These Catholics who believed their religion, their faith is pure or right, did not indict their religion which they believe to be the true faith. You did not hear how millions of Catholics believe their Church is rotten from within now.

In some ways we are talking apples and oranges here. The r&f mindset of the average Catholic is completely different from the r&f mindset of the average JW. Most Catholics, unlike most JWs, have no problem acknowledging that their religion has flaws. In fact they may, especially in this country, openly defy official church policy on issues they feel strongly about. Most just see Catholicism as a way to infuse some spirituality into their lives. Many like it because of the tradition. Most Catholics don't have to believe their religion is rotten from within, they already know its not perfect and have very little expectation of perfection. In return they fully expect to live their own lives in unjudgemental fashion, not judging or being judged, realizing that they are not capable or have any wish to live up to any unreachable standard of piety and self-denial. Yes, of course they are repulsed by pedophile priest in there ranks. But they do not have to indict their whole religion, because they already know their religion is indictable on so many levels -- just look at the history, they can read too. Still they choose to stay because they want to, and, I might add, on their own terms as expressed though their actions. They live grace-based, not performance-based, and extend that same standard to the Church.

JWs on the other hand, refuse or very grudgingly, acknowledge any flaws in the religion. Why? Because it is all about pretense. It is what separates them from everybody else. They have a vested interest in making sure the religion stays un-indictable, and so they refuse to indict it themselves even when the evidence is staring them in the face. The JWs are measuring themselves and others with a totally different ruler than what Catholics are using. All they have is a supposed credibility which is shrinking measurably. On top of that they are a performance-based religion, and the r&f are tired of performing. JWs are a end time religion whose expiration date is closing in. It will be around for some time, but whether it stays in its current form is highly doubtful. Time is not on their side, the attitudes of JWs of today are very different from even a few years ago.

For many of us on this board, what is coming out is absolutely shocking by our old JW standard. But as more of these reports come out, this will be old hat (for lack of a better term) with tomorrow's JW. This is about credibility. Tomorrow's JW will realize that they are indictable, and will live their lives in less judgemental and more social ways than we ever did. JWs are already changing...from the bottom up.

Just my 2

Axel

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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Axelspeed

Excellent job Lisa!! Your powers of ~~instigation~~ investigation are incredible.

The fact that he admitted that JWs are not the ONLY spokesperson organization of God on earth is somewhat surprising.

Axel

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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Axelspeed

LOL! uh...dont hold your breath. You are such the little instigator. I love it!

Axel

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I woke up to my JW mom reading JW literature to my stomach

by unbeliever in

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friends

i know that sounds weird.

i am pregnant with my first child and my mom is visiting me for a few days.

i was laying on the couch taking a nap and she was sitting down and reading to my stomach.

Axelspeed

So you woke up with your mom reading Jdub literature to your stomach.I dont think I could add anything that would enhance that visual.

Take care, recognize what kind of behaviour this really is, and make sure your kid is not exposed to that crap. I know you love your mom, but recognize this pitiable behavior for what it is.

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Latest News In JW Sex Scandal

by Kenneson in

it's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .

see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.

investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.

Axelspeed

I wonder if the Watchtower Society is going to issue a public statement or remain tight lipped.

I would think they are holding their collective breath until the investigators go through the disks, memory sticks and computer hard drives. Looking at the police pictures, it looks like they have a lot to go through.

If not much more is found they'll isolate him as a bad apple...proceed with damage control and try to move on. If though, more is found, or the investigation spreads or others are implicated...I hesitate to say death knell, but it would be pretty damn close to it. Morale can only take so many hits.

Axel

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Never trust brothers you don't know!

by 5thGeneration in

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friends

well, i broke it to my super devout parents that after this i don't believe there is any reason why i should trust any 'brother' i don't know around my kids.. no way, no how!.

they had to admit this was pretty shocking and enlightening but they still ended up making excuses.

the society will soon have to drop the 'we are better than everyone else' argument for sure.

Axelspeed

VM, I believe that is a copy of the card the authorities confiscated. Here is a link to a news video that someone else posted that shows the card.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B40C0F05297C699B

Axel