not an organized type, at least.
as an elder, i would try to bend the organization's rules so as to be more moderate and give the "sheep" a little more comfort.
but no elder or group of people could organize such a group and stay within the watchtower's (kingdom hall's) walls.
"love of the greater number has cooled off",
Yes with the core hardliners that reasoning will work, and there will always be that core.
But that number is dwindling fast to a ever-present, but delusional and disconnected core. I dont believe the "love of the greater number has cooled" card will play as well the next time around with a lot of JWs.
Axelspeed
not an organized type, at least.
as an elder, i would try to bend the organization's rules so as to be more moderate and give the "sheep" a little more comfort.
but no elder or group of people could organize such a group and stay within the watchtower's (kingdom hall's) walls.
jgnat said: I think we are seeing a silent protest building
That is exactly what I see. As things have progressed lately, the hardline seems to be the course the WT is taking.
I wouldnt call it reform - just yet. But the JW culture seems to me to be changing from the bottom up. The few JWs that come in today are a different breed, and more independent. And many of the ones who have been in the WT for yrs. feel a little shafted (gen change, college flip flops), even if they refuse to admit it, even to themselves. The kids are smarter and way more connected than I could even think to be at that age, and have way higher aspirations than "pioneering".
So now you have:
-Pubs(young)going to university
-Pubs (older) going back to school
-Pubs pursuing other interest i.e. getting a life
-Pubs putting in false hrs.
-Brothers filling seats, yet running from "priveleges"
-Brothers with priveleges trying to do less
-Brothers with priveleges who say enough and resign
-JWs who have accepted their circumstance and now the KH is more a social club
All the while nodding their heads in the yes, to make a show of being compliant and agreeable to any counsel. The disconnect with Brooklyn will continue. Heads nodding yes...but the hardline message falling on deaf ears.
Any organized movement at this point will have to be very careful...because if found it will be squashed swiftly and harshly. But a critical mass of protest of the silent kind is approaching. And once people start seeing that they are not at all alone in what they are thinking among the "friends" the WT will have a problem and some decisions to make.
Well actually, they already do have a problem and its not going away
just my .02
Axelspeed
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If you can get a hardcopy of this one, its a keeper. I'm sure they probably have before, but this is one of the few times I can recall that they have specifically spelled out 'higher education' = 4 yr degree (par 6). Its also one of the few times I can recall specifics on favorable vs unfavorable careers (par 18).
Hmmm. Hairdressing must be ok now, but some yrs. ago it was actually considered one of the bad, immoral ones.
There must be real concern in paradise...as this is one of the more direct/desperate articles, and really shows the life of delusion of the WT in this yr of 2005.
Note to WT: The party as you knew it 20 yrs. ago is over. The internet is here. And people, even JWs, realize that education is something that is better to have than not. The JW parents who were burned 20 yrs ago are not about to let it happen to their kids. The WT must change or become even more irrelevant and the chasm between Brooklyn and reality will grow wider. In some ways JW culture is already changing in an unexpected way...from the bottom up.
Axelspeed
jw's are in a cult just so the watchtower can make some money, they dont care about anyone or let them do anything, all they want is money whomever is still in this religon that is considered a sheep will in fact get killed when this so called armageddon will happen which it hasn't since the first time they predicted in the year 1914, but i got a prediction the downfall of your so called religon will happen in the next 10 to 15 years
They will still be herer in some form...but the idealistic view they have of themselves and the happiness of the r&f is rapidly approaching delusion.
in the service meeting on thursday, there was an item in the kingdom ministry about the dangers of the internet.
in our kingdom hall they discussed the internet and sexual predators at length and mentioned a recent circuit assembly where the district overseer went on and on about the internet without mentioning specific sites.
the circuit assembly and the service meeting discussed that apostate sites and others for jws were used by non-jws to date non-married jw sisters and also by sexual predators.
Unless they change they are cooked. I've talked to a few still in and I am more than a little convinced that many are at their threshold. Its just my hunch, but the internet coupled with a general depession among the ranks is making bid inroads. Btw...welcome to all the newbies...they are a manifestation of much bigger problems in JW land.
"we are walking by faith, not by sight.
"we are walking by faith, not by sight.
' walking by faith means that we keep.
That picture is priceless. The sheep seem to be speaking thru their actions. Im sure there is more than a little concern at WT as to where things are heading.
court file no.
superior court of justice.
watchtower bible and tract society of .
Watchtower 1967 June 1 p.338 Move Ahead with Jehovah's Organization12 How will we put these four things into effect? First, study: We may think of study as hard work, as involving heavy research. But in Jehovah's organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: Often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book with the joy of getting the new truths and a fresh view.
Hope this is what you are looking for. It's on the quote site under 'Religion: Do Not Verify.'
Axelspeed
not like hairy armpits, hairy legs, and no deodarant natural... the no makeup, kinda unkempt hair natural.
matt swears i look the most gorgeous in the morning when i first wake up and my hair's all messy.
he doesn't like me wearing makeup (which is fine w/ me
everything that Utopian Reformist said...except for the 'hairy' part...unless its on top of the head.
could the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
I have no hard evidence as of yet...but I have an inkling the discarding of this doctrine is closer than we think, in fact it may already be happening.
Axelspeed
a family affair: parents, daughter seek college education together .
the atlanta journal-constitution .
shavonne richardson, 21, never thought she'd be starting her freshman year of college with her parents.. .
great story!
