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  10% of pregnant JW accept blood

  by richard in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  an article in the professional journal obstetrics & gynecology (sep 2004) indicates that, if need arises, almost 10% of pregnant jws would agree to accept packed red blood cells while another 40% would consent to a variety of donated blood products.

  health care proxy was available in her chart.

  39.3% agreed to accept a variety of donated blood products,.

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  Ozner

  Richard,

  I think this numbers are a result of the recent doctrinal changes the Society stated in the Watchtower. At this moment many of these dicisions are to the person him/herself. The own responsibility lead to OWN DISCISIONS, with as result the numebers I read in the article.

  Many of the younger JW-christians (me included) will take a more pragmatic position. Doctrinal we get more responsibility, so we take that responsibility, however it could have some consequences.

  The Society says to the outside world "own responsibility" but for internal ears it has to be "follow us, there is nothing changed". Younger JW's read this between the lines and take their stand.

  Ozner
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  For Sale . . .

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think there is a lot going on in wts corporation, on the net i found this: (due to a lack of money or a reorganisation again?

  just like the vatican, the wts corporation is rich in assets and buildings but don't have cash money for the daily costs.

  ozner

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  I think there is a lot going on in WTS corporation, on the net I found this: (due to a lack of money or a reorganisation again?) Just like the Vatican, the WTS corporation is rich in assets and buildings but don't have cash money for the daily costs. Ozner For Sale: From our bookbindery we can offer as owner: 1) Müller Martini 201 gathering machine, 27 pockets, 1986, Price: Euro 42.000 ex site. 2) Smyth sewing machine 150 4D, 1991, Price: Euro 35.000 ex site. 3) Smyth sewing machine 180 4D, 1993, Price: Euro 38.000 ex site. 5) Smyth sewing machine 180 4D, 1994, Price: Euro 40.000 ex site. 6) Hörauf BDM 20, 1990 , reconditioned, excellent, Price: Euro 110.000 ex site. 7) Kolbus PE 70, 1991, Price: Euro 49.000 ex site. 8) Kolbus KS 976, 1981, Price: Euro 19.000 ex site. Digital photos on request. All machines are in very good technical condition and could be seen in production. We offer these machines to the market because we decided to concentrate our worldwide production of hard cover books at one production plant. If you need any further information please contact: Günther Gaulke, Wachtturm Gesellschaft, Am Steinfels, 65618 Selters, Tel: 0049 6483 412335, Fax: 0049 6483 412300, E-mail: [email protected] 16Mar05
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  1914--It is still there. The more they change the more they stay the same.

  by jayhawk1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a relative of mine had some jehovah's witnesses stop by and give her the august 1, 2004, watchtower.

  much to my surprise, well not really, i found this on page 5 in the article gods kingdom government.

  it says, "rather than being an abstract condition of the herart, god's kingdom is a real government thta has accomplished wonderful deeds since its inauguration in heaven it 1914.".

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  The last years the year 1919 is more intensive present in the new WTS books then ever. 1919 is more listed in the Daniel and Isaiah book than the year 1914. I think the writers are weakening 1914 by making 1919 more important. Once upon a time we do not read anything about 1914 but 1919 only.
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  Blood & conscience - review WT article at DC

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at the convention last weekend the wt article about blood the fellowing remarks were made: .

  your conscience is not involved concerning the four main components of blood.. your conscience is involved concerning the fragments of the four main components of blood.. the watchtower magazine gives us a nice frame work at page ** what makes clear what we have to do concerning medical treatment.

  are we not happy the brothers make such a clear frame work for us?.

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  Ozner

  At the Convention last weekend the WT article about Blood the fellowing remarks were made:

  your conscience is not involved concerning the four main components of blood.

  your conscience is involved concerning the fragments of the four main components of blood.

  The Watchtower magazine gives us a nice frame work at page ** what makes clear what we have to do concerning medical treatment. Are we not happy the brothers make such a clear frame work for us?

  When I heard these remarks I had to think about the Watchtower telling us not to use the phrase "the Society says" but "the Bible learns me".

  So we have to deal with a schizophrenic conscience. Number 1 concerning the main components, number 2 concerning fragments of the main components.

  The Watchtower magazine told us as well that nothing changed concerning this interpretation since 1981.

  Thank you for the nice frame work! But now it is time for the truth...
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  internal communication

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear friends,

  i wonder why the wts does not point out any organisational information to the local witnesses.

  example: when they reorganised the gb and corporation structures, they did not inform the witnesses.

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  Dear Friends, I wonder why the WTS does not point out any organisational information to the local witnesses. Example: when they reorganised the GB and corporation structures, they did not inform the witnesses. I had to read the report about this found on this forum, with many internal details. Nearly a year afterwards there was a WT article with the most undefinable explanation I can imagine to back the change of this large reorganisation. Why should they hide this information? I am sure that most of all the witnesses do not know that the president is no longer anointed and that the GB has laydown their corporation positions and that the original WTS is split up in smaller corporation like Kingdom Support Corporation, Farms Corporation, Christian Congr. of Jehovah's Witnesses and many many more. Most of all witnesses do not know how "the work" is organised, and think there is nothing changed at all. As a JW I feel not respected by the WTS because they do tell me what to do and what to think about many subjects, but they do not give any respect to the local witnesses, concealing internal communication. I wonder if there are more JW's like me with this question. Ozner
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  united nations and watchtower society

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dear friends,.

  of course, the jw doctrine says "no" to a connection between un and the watchtower society.. but: my personal opinion as a long-time witness is that this was a ultimate chance for the society to change things for good: the wts as a ngo, helping many people in the world to improve their lives, just as they did on a small scale with aidafrique in africa and asia earlyer.. why did the wts disconnected from un so soon after the guardian-story?

  now, there are only losers, no winners: the wts, with all the pr-problems on this subject now, but more important, the many people who could be helped with a wts/unhcr aid-program or an aidafrique/unhcr aid-program.. the reaction of disconnecting so soon as possible was not a professional act!.

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  Ozner

  Dear Friends,

  Of course, the JW doctrine says "no" to a connection between UN and the Watchtower Society.

  But: my personal opinion as a long-time witness is that this was a ultimate chance for the Society to change things for good: the WTS as a NGO, helping many people in the world to improve their lives, just as they did on a small scale with aidafrique in Africa and Asia earlyer.

  Why did the WTS disconnected from UN so soon after the Guardian-story? Now, there are only losers, no winners: the WTS, with all the PR-problems on this subject now, but more important, the many people who could be helped with a WTS/UNHCR aid-program or an Aidafrique/UNHCR aid-program.

  The reaction of disconnecting so soon as possible was not a professional act!

  Please, do not build so many buildings like offices and congreshalls, but do something to help the people with any food or clothes!
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  JW musical

  by richard in

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  2. friends

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  has anyone actually seen this show?.

  http://www.lamama.org/archivesfolder/2003/thegoodfaith.htm.

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  Watch it november 2004 in circustheater Scheveningen, translated by S. Gaikema, produced by Joop Van Den Ende!
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  bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

  do you know this happens in other country's?

  it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

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  Pavlov, my current situation obliged me to keep the old safe procedure: corporation-mail, you know what I mean... It's nice to discuss and exchange thoughts on this board with you also. I did not expect you here so quickly... Ozner
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  Bankcard-terminal in district assembly hall for donation WTS

  by Ozner in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear friends,.

  as i posted in an other category on this board http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/73036/1.ashx the wts has installed a bankcard/creditcard-terminal in their district assembly halls in the netherlands.

  i want to know your opinion about this.

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  Dear Friends,

  As I posted in an other category on this board http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/73036/1.ashx the WTS has installed a Bankcard/Creditcard-terminal in their district assembly halls in The Netherlands. I want to know your opinion about this. Are these terminals installed in other country's also? During the announcements at the assembly we were told how to use the terminal in detail. Is it ethical right to install a bankcard/creditcard-terminal in a place of worship? Feel free to give your opinion!

  Ozner
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  bank/credit-card accespoint in JW-convensionhall

  by Ozner in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the 2 jw convension-halls in the netherlands have now a bank/credit-card accespoint to give contribution to the wts with your bank or creditcards.

  do you know this happens in other country's?

  it is really strange to see that brs&srs are giving donations with their visa & mastercards.

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  Thank you for this information Pavlov. What is your opinion/view on the bankcard-terminal in Swifterbant? Does it suprice you? It has made an impact by many of my relatives. A stap too far, is what I hear, and the comparison with the Temple of Jerusalem is made...

  Ozner

  "I know you - you know me"