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Anyone going to GILLINGHAM Convention 2moro?? (Kent, UK)

by dorayakii in

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just come back from the first day of the gillingham, kent, uk convention.

it was the first convention there, because i think they wanted to take the pressure off the twickenham rugby stadium... my cong was assigned to twickenham stadium, not to gillingham, but i "volonteered" was volonteered by our po (the same one who's on a rampage to appoint me as a "mini"... .

i didn't do much today, was assigned to car park duty, then went to sit down for the 1st and 2nd talks... took some notes, then decided to walk around to look for "poztates"... i didn't find any... (we should have a way of noticing each other), i didn't write my name or cong on my badge, so i thought that might be a little sign which might go un-noticed by the r&f, but i didn't attract any attention apart from a couple sisters who looked at me and called me "brother blank"... .

dorayakii

More points from the Convention:

Baptismal talk: Let your Yes Mean Yes

What was the best day of your life brothers and sisters? Was it the day your favoutite football team won the cup?... was it perhaps the tme you won a gold medal at a sports event?... or perhaps it was your wedding day?... or the day your children were born?.... Well, for you baptismal candidates TODAY, is the best day of your lives. Make a note of it, Saturday the 23rd of July 2005 was the day you symbolised, in baptism, your dedication to unconditionally carry out Jehovah's will.

Your baptism is a day you will never forget... (i agree) and a day you will never regret (Mmmm i strongly disagree) for you are entering a close relationship with the Creator of the Universe. (Umm, if thats what you call a close relationship, i'd hate to see what you call being a stranger.)

Some people have the titles Sir, Lord or Lady before their names, and may have OBE, MSc, or MA after their names. Today you are priviledged to have the title "Brother" or "Sister" before your name, and the qualification "one of Jehovah's Witnesses" after it.

Our word should be as sound as a binding document. (Very soon it might literally be a binding document)... The Israelites said "yes, we will obey your word", but proved by their actions that they were not willing to do so. In fact, worse that that... they became.... (spits word out like venom) apostates !!!!!!

Symposium: "Be Obedient to those Taking the Lead..."

Part 1: By Loyally Supporting 'the Faithful Slave'

(Some pretty wild claims coming up)...

"Anyone who wants to know God's purpose, MUST come through the F&D Slave. These alone have insight into Jehovah God's Word" (Supported by Daniel 12:3, saying that the only ones having insight are the ones who are shining "like the brightness of the expanse")

If any were to usurp the prerogatives (insert "power") of that slave class, they would gain Jehovah's disfavour. Hebrews 13:17 "Be obedient to those taking the lead"... The root word "to take the lead" means "to govern" (oooooh, and the Governing Body is called the Governing Body because it governs, these must be the ones to whom we should be obedient!!!)... This same root word can also mean 'to steer a ship'... The annointed class are steering this ship-like organisation through the tempestuous last days of this old wicked system of things...

Isaiah 61: 6 applies to these ones. Just look at their title. "Priests of Jehovah", "Ministers of God". The F&D Slave class has a special commission, and they are NOT about to abdicate it" (Yeah, why would you abdicate when you have quasi-unlimited power)

We bow down in respect to them, in reverence to the way they direct the flock. (Yes he did say those exact words). We would never speak disparigingly of them. If someonw were speaking in an apostate way about them, would you not immediately rush to their defense?

We are grateful to them. What would we know of the true nature of Jehovah God and His Son Jesus Christ ifit weren't for the F&D Slave class?? Without the clear lead from them, we would not be motivated to carry out the worldwide preaching work. Are we not grateful for what Jehovah has done for us throught the F&D Slave?? <Thunderous applause>

Part 2: By Humbly Sibmitting to Overseers of the Flock

There is a difference between obedience and loyally submitting. (Long winded explanation which in a nut sheel is that we should obey with a willing spirit)...

Acts 20:28 We should be assured that Holy Spirit has appointed these men to shepherd the flock. (I thought Holy Spirit "annointed" ou, not "appointed" you, oh i'm all confused)

Elders represent Jehovah's sovereignty in YOUR congregation.

Who was responsible for the transporting of the Ark of the Covenant? Was it not David? David was responible, but Uzzah was judged? Why?... because Jehovah saw that he had an irreverant, disrespectful attitude to Jehovah's arrangement. That's why he was judged. ( well, and because Jehobah has a bit of a temper problem...... but seriously where in the scripure does it say that Uzzah was thinking these bad thoughts? It merely says that Uzzah reached out to stop the Ark from falling )

Finally an experience of a brother who was a successful drug dealer, who used his talent in bartering to increase his business. He also suffered from a heroin addiction for 12 years. He tried 4 times at a drug rehab centre to clear himself of this habit, but it wasn't until he started a study with Jehobah's Witnesses that he got "clean". He now uses his "gift of the gab" on the Field Ministry (in other words, instead of peddling drugs, he now peddles "God's Word")... He was good at giving direction, but bad at recieving it, so when and elder/pioneer was asked to assist him in the new "Pioneer-Assist-Others" program (PAO) he was initially insulted. However, he changed his attitude, and viewed the direction as coming directly from Jehobah, so he began to benefit from it.

I feel sick now. Especialy from the faithful slave talk. I wanna just shout out at people "Look, can't you see?... these guys are so self centred. Don't you realise why they refer to the F&D slave as "they", instead of "we". They're tryint it ain't they... They're attempting mock humility... "

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Anyone going to GILLINGHAM Convention 2moro?? (Kent, UK)

by dorayakii in

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friends

just come back from the first day of the gillingham, kent, uk convention.

it was the first convention there, because i think they wanted to take the pressure off the twickenham rugby stadium... my cong was assigned to twickenham stadium, not to gillingham, but i "volonteered" was volonteered by our po (the same one who's on a rampage to appoint me as a "mini"... .

i didn't do much today, was assigned to car park duty, then went to sit down for the 1st and 2nd talks... took some notes, then decided to walk around to look for "poztates"... i didn't find any... (we should have a way of noticing each other), i didn't write my name or cong on my badge, so i thought that might be a little sign which might go un-noticed by the r&f, but i didn't attract any attention apart from a couple sisters who looked at me and called me "brother blank"... .

dorayakii

Just come back from the first day of the Gillingham, Kent, UK Convention. It was the first convention there, because i think they wanted to take the pressure off the Twickenham Rugby Stadium... My cong was assigned to Twickenham Stadium, not to Gillingham, but i "~~volonteered"~~ was volonteered by our PO (the same one who's on a rampage to appoint me as a "Mini"...

I didn't do much today, was assigned to car park duty, then went to sit down for the 1st and 2nd talks... took some notes, then decided to walk around to look for "poztates"... i didn't find any... (we should have a way of noticing each other), i didn't write my name or cong on my badge, so i thought that might be a little sign which might go un-noticed by the R&F, but i didn't attract any attention apart from a couple sisters who looked at me and called me "Brother Blank"...

I've printed out all of eziekiel3's "apostacheques" (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/92176/1.ashx) and will be dropping them faithfully and discretely into the boxes tomorrow...

After walking around a bit looking for "poztates", i got sick of listening to the elder whining on about "obeiiiiiidience" and went back to the car park to eat my lunch and have a nap (which lasted 3 and a half hours)... after which i resumed car park duties, sternly told off a few brothers for "going against the guidence of Jehobah" by parking in the wrong place, and scolded them for completely ignoring the theme of the assembly, LOOOOL....

I've been thinking, what else could i do clandestinely to disrupt the Convention? lol.. as the speaker was talking today, a strange thought went through my head, do they actually check that all the baptismal candidates have done their questions? I don't remember there being a check when i got dunked... I could just bring along my bathing suit, jump in the pool and do it again LOOOOL... (i'd only do it at another Conv where nobody knows me though, lol)...

I've got a few "points" from the notes that i took from the first talk today, quite funny that people accept this as "truth".

The brother said "It is estimated that if you walk down the average High Street, you are photographed some 400 times by CCTV cameras. We have one who is surveying us 24 hours a day, but we don't mind, because Jehovah wants the best for us."

An interview with a brother and sister (who had to marry earlier in order to take care of the sister's younger "fleshly" sister) commented that "If Jehovah asks it of us, we will do it... because we know we'll get a blessing in the end"... Mmmmm, i thought we weren't serving for blessings ... At the end of the interview the brother doing the interview said to the audience: "It seems that Jehovah wants to see if we are really serious about doing his will, and THEN he gives us the blessing"...

One 16 year old brother was interviewed and said that on account of his Irish hertitage and on account of his class at school knowing that JW's refer to each other as "brother and sister" he was know at school by the nickname "Brother Paddy" After regaling how much literature he has "placed" with his school-friends the interviwing brother said "You have a lovely relationship wih Jehovah 'Brother Paddy' "... As if a relationship with Jehobah is measured in "amount of literature placed"...

Finally, a funky statement by the brother giving the talk about how we are "wonderfully made". After explaining how we can use our "gifts" of sight, hearing and speech, to bring praise and honour to Jehovah's Name, he said :"We should always view our senses as "GIFTS", we do not want to go through life seeing them as our "RIGHTS"...

I'm wondering is there anyone from this site who will be attending Gillingham tomorrow or Sunday? I'd love to meet up and chat. I'm just dying to talk about my feelings about the WTS with someone physically, instead of just typing to "faceless" people on the internet. It would be such a catharsis for me... I had planned to meet a guy i met on the "Common Bond" forum, but after a bit of chatting i found that he views himself as "spiritually weak". He actually wants to come to the Convention to recieve "spiritual encouragement" and he says he wants to "help me in my struggle"

Here's a picture from the Gillingham Stadium, it's the grounds of a 3rd division football team... The brother attending looks like a Jedi Knight with his "pony-tail... i think its just an unfortunately placed wire coming from the speakers... His florescent jacket was probably caused by my flash... (I'll get some more pics tommorow, good ones if i can)

alt

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More explosions London Underground

by Crumpet in

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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1189833,00.html

i don't think anyone has been hurt though - all unconfirmed!

one on a bus and one on underground.

dorayakii

This is terrible, attacks are going into Greater London... you cant even feel save if you avoid Central London now...

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witnoid weddings

by katiekitten in

when i was a kid weddings in the troof were a big deal.

probably because they were the main if not only excuse for a knees up.

if someone was getting married they were not in control of the decisions about the reception.

dorayakii

Oh my, oh my Katie, that does bring back a lot of memories... mini sausages, the pineapple and cheese was always there (what is with that anyway? ewww)

"In one wedding all the bridesmaids walked down the aisle fanning themselves. The next wedding had to outdo the first, so the bridesmaids walked down the aisle twirling umbrellas. The next had to be bigger and better; they wanted twenty bridesmaids and twenty ushers. The hall was starting to be used as a circus."

ROFLMAO... looool... i thought it was a joke but then i did a search and i found the quote in the July 15th 1982 Watchtower... i don't believe it!! The elder was actually serious when he said this??

The image in my head of 20 ushers and 20 bridesmaids twirling umbrellas all in order to outdo the previous wedding is just so funny... Its like some kind of twisted Julie Andrews musical...

"The hall was stating to be used as a circus." ... It already is a circus mate

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How far can you bat the penguin?

by TresHappy in

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this is fun!.

http://n.ethz.ch/student/mkos/pinguin.swf.

dorayakii

309.1 NO BLOOD

723.9 BLOODY

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GAY IN THE CONGREGATION

by WhiteTrash83 in

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hi everybody, i wonder if there is some way to get connected with other gay guys that have left the congregation?

is there any others in sweden where i am??

would be nice to meet someone with the same background i think..... //janne

dorayakii

Hej, hur står det till?... välkomnande till JWD forum, Janne och Agape

well im not swedish, but i am gay... and my bf is swedish, so...

jag har också lärt att tala och att förstå lite svenska...

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How did you get the "troof"?

by dorayakii in

i was assimilated at birth... .

my maternal grandparents came to england in the early 1940s, and learnt the troof here.

my grandfather opposed my grandmother for a while, but then he decided it wasn't worth the fight and studied the blue "troof book" and my grandparents got baptised at the same assembly.

dorayakii

thanks for that story Dave, it was very colourful :) any more?

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hanging onto old thought processes

by rebel8 in

as a jw child, i learned to use the following "logic":decide what you want to believe before you research or learn about it.

(at the time, it was whatever the wts told me to believe.

)when you come across anything that supports your belief, accept it.when you come across anything that refutes your belief, reject it.repeat steps 2-4 indefinitely.. as far as i recall, i pretty much realized this faulty thought process before i left the jws and stopped doing it.

dorayakii

Here is how Winston Smith described doublethink in the novel:

George Orwell's novel "1984" is one of my favourite books. I find a lot of parallels with the thought-processas of the Watchtower leadership, in Orwell's well thought out characters...

it goes on to say:

"By using the word, one admits that one is tampering with reality; but by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."

this is so true... i see it all the time at the meetings, brothers on the platform contradicting what they have just said, but with the whole audience nodding along and going "mmm, good point"....

An example is when something is said to be acceptable to Jehovah because of a specific reason (for instance eating pork is no longer a sin because Jesus' new law has done away with the mosaic law) then something else is unacceptable to Jehovah for the exact same reason (the prohibition on eating/transfusing blood is always supported by, none other than the mosaic law, which has supposedly been done away with [Leviticus 17:10-14]!!)

Yet another example, is when we are encouraged to do research to make sure the things we are believe are true... but "discouraged" from reading any other material apart from the things that we should already believe are true!!! Catch 22

But coming back to the point. We were indoctrinated at the "service meeting" to try and tear down the "false religious beliefs" of people in the ministry, and now even being mentally free from the WTS, i still seem to have a high intolerance for people believing something different to what i believe. Its a shame, but i still feel sensitive when preople say something against an idea or princple that i hold dear. Its an accute feeling that i'm being attacked directly, and my first reaction is to try, sometimes even using strong language, to convince them that I AM RIGHT.

In the two years, i've learnt to just shut up... to stop and to listen to what other people have to say instead of thinking that everything that comes out of their mouth is going to be against a cherished belief that i have (or had)...

The feeling even surges up here on JWD. Although most of us have been dubs, now, we have all gone off in different directions. Some are christians, some believe the bible still, some are atheists, some have become bhuddists and some don't have a prescibed belief system... Its been a real challenge to be here and just criticise the Watchtower, instead of flaming people left, right and centre, for still beliving in Jesus or in a Creator... i can now allow myself to participate in conversations without feeling like im being attacked and without feeling that i should "stand up for what is right" or more accurately "stand up for what i think is right".

dorayakii of the "eternal, internal struggle" class

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Excellent article on WT mind control!

by truth_about_the_truth in

jehovah's witnesses .

if you are one of jehovah's witnesses your mind is being controlled by someone else without your knowledge.

mind control - what is it?.

dorayakii

When i finally mustered up the courage to read this "apostate" essay about 2 years ago, it really helped me break away from the thought-patterns inherant with having been brought up in "da troof"... when i was just breaking away mentally from WT indoctrination, i read this essay and was highly critical of almost every statement in it... now that im able to read other sources (without my bible-trained WT indoctrinated conscience making me feel guilty) i actually see the essay in a (forgive the expression) new light... thanks for bringing it up again, i'm sure it will help others who have finally realised the need to break away

The expression "Jehovah's organisation" can be applied conveniently to any aspect of the religion and is interchangeable with expressions such as "being in the truth"; "Jehovah's people"; "the congregation"; "Jehovah's Witnesses"; "the Watchtower Society", although the last expression is rarely used by Witnesses because strictly, it is a business corporation which they say, is for "legal reasons".

This made me snigger...... the Watchtower only exists for "legal reasons" huh?...... Which "law of the land" requires them to have a "legal corporation"?......

This was one of my main "stumbling blocks" while in the bOrg. The boasting of such a big corporation and the reading out of gigantesque figures each month... I also hated the focus on "placing" Watchtower magazines at the doors instead of just reading an encouraging scripture. (Indeed that is what i used to do... they must have been amazed when my Field Service Report" said 20 hours and 0 magazines) Can they not just preach from the bible instead of from Corporation literature?...... Do the R&F JWs really know what the purpose of the Watchtower Corporation is?

close relationship with Jehovah; dedicated Christians; congregation; loving provision; apostles; oversight; approved associate; elders; holy angels; "other sheep"; personal study; wonderful privilege; "remnant"; cross; the truth; apostle; preaching work; angelic support; refuge; bat; faithful ones; sovereignty; exclusive devotion; Jehovah's organisation; humbly conforming; spirit-anointed; scriptures; spirit-appointed; meetings; cat; qualified men; wait on Jehovah; eager expectation; legally married; whole-souled; lovers of Jehovah; well-motivated; Armageddon; Kingdom interests

When i read this list 2 years ago the word "cross" literally jumped up at me from the page without even carefully reading the list. it seemed like it was burnt onto the screen and etched into my retinas, negative emotions welled up in me and i instantly recognised, without examining the list, that the word just did not belong...

This time around, i had to read and re-read the list in order to find the word that was out of place... it was only the 3rd time that i noticed and registered the word "cross" as an anomaly... I'm so happy about how far i've come, little by little, ridding my body of all these bOrg implants...

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Sport and JWs!!!

by zagor in

just wondering what your experiences are.

were you "encouraged" not to devote time to personal exercise, gym or sport in general?

i remember this one time co gave a talk how "we do not need sport" then he proceeded to explain how walking up the stairs in field service was exercise enough for our legs, then how we didn't need any stretching exercise as making gestures while explaining the bible verses would do the job, and so on.

dorayakii

I remember this one time CO gave a talk how "we do not need sport" then he proceeded to explain how walking up the stairs in field service was exercise enough for our legs, then how we didn't need any stretching exercise as making gestures while explaining the bible verses would do the job, and so on.

ROFLMAO... oh my goodness, im absolutely flabberghasted... gesuring while explaining bible verses is exercise??? LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

i haven't laughed this hard in a good few weeks... i don't know how the hell you managed to keep a straight face throughout that talk, LOL

dorayakii of the "never has my flabber been so well and truly gasted" class