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LONDON - A member of Prime Minister Tony Blair ( news - web sites)'s Cabinet said Sunday she will quit in protest if Britain participates in a war on Iraq ( news - web sites) without United Nations ( news - web sites ) backing.

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International Development Secretary Clare Short is the highest-ranking British official to threaten to step down. Newspaper reports said Sunday that several lower-ranking members of the government had similar plans.

Short, considered one of the Cabinet's most liberal members, long has been a focus of rumors about possible protest resignations. She resigned as a Labor Party official to protest the party's backing for the 1991 Gulf War ( news - web sites ).

"If there is not U.N. authority for military action or if there is not U.N. authority for the reconstruction of the country, I will not uphold a breach of international law or this undermining of the U.N. and I will resign from the government," Short told British Broadcasting Corp. radio on Sunday.

Blair's staunch support of President Bush ( news - web sites)'s tough stance on Iraq has caused the prime minister serious political problems at home. Polls show a majority of Britons oppose a war not authorized by the United Nations and Blair is derided by critics as Bush's "poodle."

Last month, 122 lawmakers from Blair's Labor Party staged their biggest rebellion since he came to power in 1997, voting for a motion that said the case for war was "unproven."

Blair has argued passionately for the need to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction. While he says he wants U.N. support, he has argued that Britain and the United States would be within their rights to use force even if one or more members of the Security Council "unreasonably" veto a resolution.

He says he is confident the allies will win a second resolution. Britain, the United States and Spain have proposed the world body give Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites ) a March 17 deadline to disarm or face war.

Blair continued to push for international backing, speaking Sunday to Chinese President Jiang Zemin ( news - web sites ), who said every effort must be made to avoid war, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry ( news - web sites ).

Short responded with strong language when asked whether Blair was moving recklessly.

"I'm afraid that I think the whole atmosphere of the current situation is deeply reckless — reckless for the world, reckless for the undermining of the U.N. in this disorderly world ... reckless with our government, reckless with his own future, position and place in history," she said.

Asked if Blair and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw knew of her position, she said, "I have a good relationship and frequent discussions with both of them."

Blair's office said Short had not told the prime minister in advance of the views she expressed to the BBC.

Short's announcement came after Labor lawmaker Andrew Reed said he was quitting his post as a parliamentary private secretary — a low-level government job — apparently over the Iraq crisis.

Newspapers reported that four other low-ranking members of the government said they would quit if Britain goes to war without U.N. backing.

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Finally someone in politics who will stand up for what they feel is right. Hats off to you, Short.

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IS JEHOVAH GOD AN AN ALIEN ?????? CRAZY 5 MINUTES

by nightwarrior in

1) jehovah is a spirit creature , you agree with this ,ok.. now let us move on , also we have been shown throughout the scriptures that jehovah god is seen as a bright light,no man has ever seen him they have only been able to see or feel his radiance,men have felt his glory,men have felt his presence,even mosess wasnot able to withstand the eminence radiating from god,.

when we look to the collection of various animals on the earth, take africa for instance,hundreds of different species,roaming around the planet earth all in specific herds ,lions monkeys, birds,zebra etc etc is this seen as a zooalogical collection placed on the planet by a supreme being.. .

look to the larger picture, what are your thoughts are humans also a part of this great collection,if man is a part of this collection ,what planet was he abducted from ,and whom done the abduction????????????????.

back2dafront

Yeah, we existed on another planet and then almost became extinct, so he created another planet out in the middle of nowhere so that no other aliens could find us until we developed technology.

Now we're about to become extinct again. He might come rescue the few remaining but might also think it may not be worth the effort.

:-P

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Why does the USA ignore the terror of Israel?

by back2dafront in

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http://www.devo.com/mideastlog/

they shoot children, don't they?

[iraq]

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http://www.devo.com/mideastlog/ They shoot children, don't they? [Iraq] - Ben Granby - [email protected] @ 18:33:41 Though much has happened in the past few days, Im pressed for time as Im about to leave Gaza for the West Bank, and likely to home a little after that.

But I have to write about something I witnessed for about an hour and a half today. Im sure it got scant if any news coverage in the US, even though it was one of the sickest things Ive ever seen (and videotaped).

After returning from a second trip to Rafah, I prodded David to head to Beir Lahia. I wasn't sure what we would see there, but the other day the Israelis had taken over large stretches of farmland and began bulldozing agricultural areas. They claimed they were staying put to dissuade any Qassem rocket attacks. On par, the Israelis are being excessive. The rockets have yet to kill anyone and have done minimal damage. In exchange, the Israelis are ruining the lives and livelihoods of dozens.

I figured that by visiting one of the locations the IDF was stationed at, I might just get some decent photographs of tanks up close. We approached from a road from where we could see some of the northern Gaza Israeli colonies. Their large facroties and pre-fab houses stuck out like sore thumbs in the distance. The cab slowed as it approached a makeshift barrier with a Palestinian flag mounted on it. The cab driver began talking with some Palestinian police about the situation.

"Ok, you can go, but its very dangerous," the policeman told us. The road went uphill and curved to the right. Two ambulances sped by and stopped at the top of the hill. I figured we could at least get up there safely. Just as we left the taxt however, we were pulled aside and taken to a small gravel patch. We were told that just a half hour before, a stone throwing youth was shot dead by a random burst from a tank's machinegun. Shit, I thought. I didn't know what else to think.

We nervously mounted the hill. To the right, infront of the Israeli colonies we could see an IDF Humvee and a massive bulldozer cruising about. David was quite wary, but I knew that there had to be something to see by the ambulances. As we got closer, we could see scores of young children at the top running about.

The children were scurrying around large sandpiles and bulldozed roads infront of a large municipal building. It was Beit Lahia's administrative building for schools. A large Merkava tank sat atop a peak to the left, with a smaller bulldozer parked next to it. Four ambulances sat parked in this location, and another two were about 50m to the right along a flat patch. Young boys ran around inbetween.

Soon after we arrived shots rang out from behind the municipal building. Screams and hollars went up and children poured from the lot. The medics in bullet-proof vests ran out and helped carry two children who had just been shot. They were piled into seperate ambulances. As their sirens wailed and they pulled away, two other ambulances backed up to take their place. The Israelis were manufacturing the wounded.

We could easily see the situation. About six to ten boys at any time were vainly throwing rocks over the three story building. Few if any made it anywhere. Other children went around the sides to hurl rocks at the Israeli positions. In exchange for this, the Israelis were answering with live ammunition.

One teenager pulled me aside to walk to the right and get a better view. Past the right corner of the building, where a burning tire was spewing forth black smoke, an Israeli position could easily be seen. Five Israeli soldiers sat in a trench, surrounded by sandbags pointing their Galil rifles in various directions. Just behind them sat their M-113 APC.

From this vantage point I could perfectly well zoom in with my camera and watch the Israelis shoot children. The live rounds could be heard ricocheting off walls when they missed or fired warning shots. It was a disgusting sight. I began to fill with rage.

In all reality, the Israelis could simply have sat in their APC and tank in perfect protection. The children had nothing more than stones and a few slings to hurl them with. Their aim was horrible, and the Israeli position at the top of a steep bank was unasailable. There were no militants anywhere to be seen. Nevertheless, the five Israeli troops and later one on top of the Merkava sat and fired rifle shots at the kids.

"Its two crowds of children, playing games. But one crowd has guns and tanks," I commented to David. I was furious and fought back the urge to flip off the IDF troops as I saw them aim and fire again and again.

Another child was carried out of the vicinity of the building with yelps and cries. I ran over to film him. He had been shot in one of his legs and his face was contorted with pain. Surely it was a stupid thing these children were doing. But it was hard to blame them. They have no lives and no future in these conditions. The Israelis had simply no excuse whatsoever to be doing what they were doing. They didnt have to leave their vehicles. Even then, they were still fully clad in armor so they didn't have to shoot. Even then they could have shot rubber bullets or tear gas. It was sickening.

As the sky grew dark, we decided it was best to leave. We asked a medic the tally thus far of the IDF's sick behavior. One child dead and over 20 wounded. I hope those troops slept well.

(For any that wish to compare the horrible actions of splinter factions of terrorists who are of the minority of Palestinians with this - realize that this is the IDF - the official representation of the Israeli people who is shooting children for sport.) Comments (9) TrackBack (0) PingBack (0)

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Time to Arrest the Leaders of the Anti-War Movement,

by LuckyLucy in

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

the u.s. sedition act

united states, statutes at large, washington, d.c., 1918, vol.

back2dafront

Only in a perfect world.

Unfortunately such things weigh no importance whatsoever in the minds of ones who are bent on war. America does no wrong, and if it does, it's permissable because they deserved it.

And they have the nerve to imply those against the war have "no common sense."

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Sorry Luckylucy, I couldn't let this slide....

by back2dafront in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/48090/1.ashx

you posted a comment from francois a month or so ago and didn't get him credit.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/45996/1.ashx.

back2dafront

If only it were so simple.

Unfortunately, I think it's going to take a nuclear war before anyone even remotely begins to consider such a thing.

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Don't You Think That Many Bethelites Know This Isn't The Truth.....?

by minimus in

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when you know that so many things are untrue,whether it be doctrines, policies or history, and these bethelites still hang on, you've got to wonder why.

is it fear?

is it the fact they have no real skills?

back2dafront

good point.

Ain't much hiring going on period right now anyways, no matter how old you are. But yeah, that's a tough situation for sure. The only jobs that hire older people like that are places like Wal Mart and fast food restaurants. Hard to live off of income like that.

If I had the money I'd start a support group for those in that predicament. Life can be so unfair sometimes...

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Don't You Think That Many Bethelites Know This Isn't The Truth.....?

by minimus in

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when you know that so many things are untrue,whether it be doctrines, policies or history, and these bethelites still hang on, you've got to wonder why.

is it fear?

is it the fact they have no real skills?

back2dafront

Is it the fact they have no real skills?

Not all Bethelites are janitors, housekeepers or waiters. There are just as many skilled workers there as there are laborers.

Personally, as I became aware of the problems with the borg, it drove me further and further away from it. I started looking for excuses not to go to the meetings. I started hating having to go out in service, especially when I was required to work a lot of OT at Bethel. How much full-time service did they want me to do?? but yeah, I gradually grew more and more discontent and spent every moment I could in Manhattan walking around, going to bars and music events, rollerblading...ANYTHING to get me away from Bethel. Finally, I said enough is enough and left and went back home. Deep inside I knew once I got home I'd plan on getting on my feet and getting my own place...then I'd be able to gather my thoughts and figure out what I wanted to do w/ my life. Not even 3 months passed and I was out of my folks home, truck packed with all my stuff and I hit the road for the California.

Life has been great ever since. I wasn't afraid of trekking of starting over. Of course not all has been peachy since I left, but I contribute that directly to leading such a sheltered life in the Borg and not having any street smarts whatsoever. It was sad leaving behind so many friends - I've cried several times over because of that, but it was something I had to do. Finally life makes sense to me.

I think the Bethelites that really figure things out get out of there ASAP. Maybe some stay due to their family and friends, but personally that bond, although it was very valuable and appreciated, was not as important as the freedom of my mind. I couldn't tolerate the trapped, controlled feeling any longer whereas I feel some people need that in their lives.

To each his own....

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Time to Arrest the Leaders of the Anti-War Movement,

by LuckyLucy in

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

the u.s. sedition act

united states, statutes at large, washington, d.c., 1918, vol.

back2dafront

so once the war starts there will be no more anti-war protests??

This law will actually go into effect?

Damn, I was ignoring it because it seemed like an outdated law. I don't think it's right to "intefere with the success of the military" or anything like that, but I see no harm in people protesting in the street, or telling their friend they don't think the war is to our benefit for that matter.

So much for living in a free country.

Once it is, the Islamo-Fascists sponsoring the "Peace Rallies" can be dealt with.
We need to become a more Savage Nation in the interest of oour self-preservation. We can no longer depend on the French to protect us.

Our savageness is going to cause more problems my friend. Just wait, you'll see. The writing is on the wall, it's so obvious. All hell is going to break loose over there, and it's going to cause international conflict. Real fun stuff. I feel real secure now. <insert sarcasm> Funny how nobody is protesting against our pursuit of Al-Qaeda members. Why? Because they are clearly the terrorists involved and linked to 9/11 and future CREDIBLE threats against American interests. If Bush had kept focused energy on that war, things would be a lot better. Only a fool would think the rest of the Middle East is going to let USA invade Iraq and set up a democracy and gain even more influence and control in the region. Things are escalating in Israel now too - the Hamas are pissed and are going after Israeli political leaders. Al Qaeda is going after our troops, not to mention the certainty that Sadaam must have something planned for them as well. We have no friends over there, and hardly have European friends. What about this picture is looking good? What about this picture seems to be serving the best interests of America to you? Why can't we use the same troops deployed over there to defend our borders and shipping ports? Would that not make us safer? Why does everything always have to be aggressive instead of defensive? Defense is just as important and has won tons of football games. We're very vunerable now - our troops are focused in one region of the world. If a country decided to attack USA soil, would we be able to adequately defend our shores? Hopefully. I've yet to hear one convincing argument on how this war will make America safer. Or how this war will help our economy. That has nothing to do with me being pro-Islam, for I'm not in favor of any of their ideologies at ALL. Simply put, I do not want to see thousands of our troops hurt and killed. I do not want to see the global economy plummet as a result of this war. I do not want to see nuclear, chemical or biological warfare in ANY country (and I'm convinced we will see it in Iraq very soon). I do not want to see gas prices continue to rise. (In the Bay Area, the cheapest gas I've seen is now $2.05/gal - that's for 87 octane mind you). I do not want to see a mushroom cloud over Anchorage, AK, and that will happen if Bush doesn't solve this problem with Korea quickly. Now please tell me how my concerns are being Anti-American or pro-Islam??? Please tell me why I should not be even considering any of the things mentioned above and should be supporting this war 100%? Shoot, BUSH isn't even convinced this is going to go smoothly!! He acts like he is, but you can tell he isn't!!! Have you not seen how he dodges EVERY SINGLE QUESTION REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THE TROOPS AND AMERICAN CITIZENS??? What does it take for people to see the big picture??? THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE DAYS AWAY FROM DYING AND THAT INCLUDES YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS. Then after that is done and over with, we're STILL not going to be safe from the threat of terrorism, AND the economy is going to be MORE screwed up than it already is. And all this talk about liberating the Iraqi people. Give me a break. Our sanctions since the the Gulf War has cost the lives of thousands of children. They have cancer patients over there that cannot be provided chemotherapy treatment. Kidney patients that can't be given dialysis. More and more kids are being born with diseases and deformities. The war is NOT going to help that situation at all. Are all the civilians going to flee Baghdad before the war? What will they have to return to? Geez man...it's really not that difficult to see.

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MDS' Book "The Report" (1994) Predicts Global War Ahead!

by bjc2read in

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the following information is a direct quote taken from the "report" volume i pages 94-100 made back in 1994.. ("the report" written & copyrighted 1994.).

what do "many lands" have to do with this one land, the "land of decoration?

but who is he, that is the "king of the north?

back2dafront

In fact, on March 4th and 5th, 49 Islamic Nations are meeting in Quatar to discussion methods of opposition against the US/GB war efforts to disarm Iraq.

Did this happen??