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4TECHNOLOGY and COMMUNICATION: a look back at Watchtower merchandizing
by Terry inthousands of people in america were the beneficiaries of new inventions in technology in the 1870's.. the typewriter, the telephone, and the light bulb transformed something we may have never considered before.. communication was ramped up seemingly without limit for the first time in human history!.
pastor russell's customers were simple folks frightened by monumental changes.. what did these rapid changes really mean?.
pastor russell distilled everything down to the notion everything was understandable as signs of the end.. ____________________________.
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"UNTIL he arrives . . ." Why do we still celebrate the Memorial? CAUSES VS. EFFECTS
by Terry injehovah's witnesses teach worldwide that jesus arrived in 1874 1914.. i think i must have missed the wt explanation: why do we still celebrate the memorial of jesus if he returned already?.
1 corinthians 11:26 "for as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the lord, until he arrives (erchomai).".
let's break this down.. 1. jesus christ 'returned' arrived in 1914 (cause).. 2.
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And don't forget the banquet of fine food and drink!
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I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!
by Terry inlook up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.
now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.
active topics search members topics started .
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WOW-Simon!
I've got to get the hang of that.
I very frequently visit the boneyard of my past posts to resurrect the ideas and try again for discussion.
If I can sort by topic it will help immensely!
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THE IMPONDERABLES TOPIC (Enter at your own risk)
by Terry ini suggest taking this slowly .
.. consider the difference between taking a poll about an upcoming election and the actual vote itself on the day of the election.. the information gathered about what the vote will be is provisional.
the vote on the day of the election is actual and official.. it is the one that counts.. now, carefully ask yourself what the specific difference--if any--there is between the poll information and the election result as an identical knowledge of.
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I revel in the strange realization I was attracted to Jehovah's Witnesses because I was LEARNING things
I'd never heard before!
What is clear today is the mechanism of the revelation.
In teaching a Newbie Bible study, there is a gradual DEBUNKING of mainstream Christianity and Bible corruption.
This is shocking, thrilling and a big set-up for what happens next!
The Newbie confirms mainstream Christianity has a vast "conspiracy" of crooked history and bald assertions.
HOWEVER--JW'S REPLACE THE DISCARDED BELIEFS WITH EQUALLY FALSE ASSERTIONS.
The Newbie TRUSTS the JW because so much has been 'revealed'.
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The incredible feat of exposing the 'tampering' of scripture with an insistence the Bible is inerrant, is no mean accomplishment.
For all practical purposes, a bait-and-switch transpires: WATCHTOWER INTERPRETATION is substituted for scripture.
I think of that sign on the side of the building in Bethel: READ THE BIBLE DAILY.
It really means: READ OUR INTERPRETATIONS and PRETEND YOU'RE READING THE BIBLE.
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The sense of vast "discovery' JW's have must be intellectually exciting. Why else do they so look forward to NEW LIGHT?
Isn't it because they have been tricked into thinking the OLD LIGHT wasn't FALSE?
Surely!
An insidious tampering with rational thought erodes and destroys honest inqury.
From the get-go the Newbie is given no opportunity to QUESTION---only the false sense of freedom to inquire.
How so?
The Questions are given BY PROXY and the PREFABRICATED answers follow.
The Society publications foster that false sense of Q&A and it is illusory.
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Free Inquiry becomes dangerous Independent Thinking in a very short time.
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To be a JW is to view any personal inquiry as a betrayal of the bond of LOYALTY to their surrogate brain: THE GOVERNING BODY.
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FOLLOW-UPS for JW deniers of 1975
by Terry inmy favorite follow-up question to jw deniers:.
"okay, then what exactly was special about 1975, then?".
and another follow-up, "what was wrong with the first time it ended?".
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My favorite follow-up question to JW deniers:
"Okay, then what exactly WAS special about 1975, then?"
And another follow-up, "What was wrong with the FIRST TIME it ended?"
Reference to the fact that this SAME statement was first given about the date 1873/74.
(The Watchtower, 15 July 1894, p.1675)
The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1894, p.1675
- "For instance, as we look back and note that the Scriptures marked 1873 as the end of six thousand years from Adam to the beginning of the seventh thousand, and the fall of 1874 as the beginning of the forty-year harvest of the Gospel age and day of wrath from the overthrow of all the institutions of 'this present evil world (or order of affairs),' we can see that facts have well borne out those predictions of Scripture."
Also note: http://mmoutreachinc.com/jehovahs_witnesses/prophecy/christreturn1874.html
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1975 coverup! Compare the '68 and '81 Truth book scans
by JimmyPage inthe wt society pointed to 1975 as the date for the end of the world.
when the date came and went they changed their publications to remove themselves from the fiasco.
need proof?
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My favorite follow-up question to JW deniers:
"Okay, then what exactly WAS special about 1975, then?"
And another follow-up, "What was wrong with the FIRST TIME it ended?"
Reference to the fact that this SAME statement was first given about the date 1873/74.
(The Watchtower, 15 July 1894, p.1675)
The Watchtower Reprints, July 15, 1894, p.1675
- "For instance, as we look back and note that the Scriptures marked 1873 as the end of six thousand years from Adam to the beginning of the seventh thousand, and the fall of 1874 as the beginning of the forty-year harvest of the Gospel age and day of wrath from the overthrow of all the institutions of 'this present evil world (or order of affairs),' we can see that facts have well borne out those predictions of Scripture."
Also note: http://mmoutreachinc.com/jehovahs_witnesses/prophecy/christreturn1874.html
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CONFESS or COVERUP
by Terry inthe disconnect from the family of humanity......the snap of that fellow feeling......the cold indifferent shrug as each person dries up and hardens into a mere thing in a kingdom hall.....is a withering away of all that is noble, pure and innocent.. and when that icy moment sets in the rest of the world vanishes into an invisible nothing in the heart of that strutting and proud lump of human flesh called jehovah's witness.. it is the first of many deaths they will endure.... where does it begin and where does it end?.
perhaps by defending huge lies?.
if you are complicit in a crime against humanity you have two basic ethical choices:.
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The disconnect from the family of humanity......the snap of that fellow feeling......the cold indifferent shrug as each person dries up and hardens into a mere thing in a Kingdom Hall.....is a withering away of all that is noble, pure and innocent.
And when that icy moment sets in the rest of the world vanishes into an invisible nothing in the heart of that strutting and proud lump of human flesh called Jehovah's Witness.
It is the first of many deaths they will endure...
Where does it begin and where does it end?
PERHAPS by defending huge lies?
If you are complicit in a crime against humanity you have two basic ethical choices:
CONFESS or COVERUP.
Jehovah's Witnesses imagine themselves to be heroic, noble and blessed when, in fact, they are wallflowers, under-achievers and morally indifferent to the actual needs of humanity (whom they despise.)
The way you can tell if a JW is lying? If their mouth is moving!
LOOK AT THIS REAL WORLD IMPACT and ask yourself how it is 39 years after PROVING YOU ARE A FALSE PROPHET
you can hold a straight face and claim: WE NEVER PREDICTED THAT!
The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life
The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life was a Bible study textbook published in 1968 and revised in 1981 (now out of print).
The 1990 edition of the Guinness Book of Records included this book under its heading "Highest Printings".According to the Guinness Book, by May 1987 it had reached 106,486,735 copies, in 116 languages.
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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!
by wifibandit inhttp://imgur.com/a/e6dos.
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"... we ought to be reluctant to assign an antitypical application to a certain person or account if there is no specific Scriptural basis for doing so."
I have been suspecting for awhile now, the Org is setting up a total abandonment of 1914.
Why?
It is absurd, unverifiable, and it paints a target on the entire theology.
What would be the consequence?
REBOOT!
Why?
The organization could become--not unlike the Worldwide Church of God--more mainstream and respectiable.
It has the added benefit of shaking loose all the mugwumps and retaining the die-hards.
Darwinian survival, how delicious the irony!
A cataclysmic MEA CULPA would clear them of responsibility of all past sins and errors.
They could declare amnesty on DF'd disaffected JW's and decimate a battalion of critics simultaneously.
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The Watchtower 3/15/2015 Parables! New Understanding! plus More!
by wifibandit inhttp://imgur.com/a/e6dos.
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There is a logical absurdity to the notion of "more,"when it is applied to being "faithful"for what appears to me
to be a simple binary reason. You ARE faithful or you are NOT.
You are PREGNANT or you are NOT.
Just because a baby is developing inside a mother doesn't mean she is more and MORE pregnant.
This kind of reasoning on the part of the "Faithful" and discreet slave is very demonstrative of total amateur incompetency as
interpreters or analysts.
This calls into question what 2+2=3.5 might indicate to this religion.
IS IT JUST AN EARLY STAGE OF INCREASING MATHEMATICAL ACCURACY?
Is Watchtower 'Truth" merely a series of estimates resembling an asymptote?
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Current King James Bible now has 6,972 Jehovah's name restored.
by Iamallcool inhttp://www.dnkjb.net/ .
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i HAD MEMORIZED the number as 6823 occurances way back in the 60's.
The other day I saw the number had jumped to 6829, and now today I see this new quantity of 6823.
NEED I SAY I'M CONFUSED?
