Posts by doogie

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what matt got me for my b-day!

by kittyeatzjdubs in

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so i asked the guys what they thought matt was getting me for my birthday.... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/90192/1.ashx .

sooooooooo....you were all wrong....he got me a black fender stratocaster.

rock!!!!!!!!!.

doogie

man....i'll tell u who i wish i could sing like...morgan the lead singer from KITTIE

do you know The Distillers? (check out Sing Sing Death House) Brody has the most amazing voice i've ever heard. makes Kittie look like a big pile of puke.

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607 date

by Cordelia in

ive just left the jws well got dfed a month ago!

but family want me back so im trying to prove to myself that it isnt true, top get the strength not to go back,i heard the 607 date may be false, can anyone show me about that, i know exactly what the jws say and cant believe the intial date is wrong, is it?

doogie

So the secular evidence can be manipulated

so true, so true

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What feeling are invoked in you by my avatar?

by IronGland in

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what does it make you think of?

doogie

either constipation or a complete...umm...lack of constipation.

oh, wait...feelings invoked in me?...i guess concern and sympathy.

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Sex & the Evolution vs. Creation debate

by tetrapod.sapien in

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i was just looking back over some of the evolution vs. creation debates that have taken place here on jwd in the recent past.

and i was struck by something.

sorry if this has been done already.. practically all posts (i could almost safely say "all") in the debates are authored by males.

doogie

great question. i have no idea why and i have nothing to add, but great question.

i try to talk to my girlfriend (who is a female, last i checked) about this stuff as i learn and she honestly couldn't care less. she laughs at me when i buy books about science and evolution (she says i'm going to college but not getting any credits). i think some of the stuff kind of scares her too because she's a pretty devout catholic.

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Buddhist / Taoist / Christian Hybrid

by EvilForce in

so when i have to explain what i believe to people and how it can coinside with one another i must mention the jesus sutras.

they're a group of teachings that go back centuries.

a group of christian monks left persia to enter china in the year 635, and established a small christian community inside china.

doogie

EF:

you know, i remember you mentioning this on a thread the other day and i seriously was going to PM you to ask you to elaborate. thanks

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Creationism - is purely a myth that is untestable - maybe not!

by Qcmbr in

i've been doing my homework having been stung by the vehemence of the evolutionary believers - i've got some interesting things that maybe science in the classroom could approach.

some premises - .

evolution is only a theory - its not a fact any more than newtonian physics was a fact.

doogie

Doogie your post was great too !!!

ah...jeez. honestly, that wasn't just a plea for affection. ("love me! love me!") but, shucks...thanks man...

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Explain you religion/beliefs in a nutshell

by devinsmom in

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lately i have been pondering my lack of a belief system.

i think that being a jw really turned me off to believing in anything since it was all crammed down my throat.. i have been feeling a need to believe in something.

i think i believe that something created us but not sure if it was one god or many.

doogie

i will believe in god when he proves he exists. until then, i believe in him as much as i believe in leprechauns...

i believe that humans have the potential for great good and great evil, but there's a better chance for good in the logical mind than the illogical.

before i believe i must have proof.

like someone else said, the bible condones the taking of virgins as spoils of war...even if it WAS inspired by a deity, it's no deity that i would feel good about worshipping. (the fact that the bible clearly isn't inspired helps)

ya, in logic's name, amen.

all hail logic!

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Creationism - is purely a myth that is untestable - maybe not!

by Qcmbr in

i've been doing my homework having been stung by the vehemence of the evolutionary believers - i've got some interesting things that maybe science in the classroom could approach.

some premises - .

evolution is only a theory - its not a fact any more than newtonian physics was a fact.

doogie

Great post Abbadon...you did a much better job than I could have...

Me too. I could have saved 20 minutes

shoot...at least you didn't go through the trouble of writing it twice...

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Creationism - is purely a myth that is untestable - maybe not!

by Qcmbr in

i've been doing my homework having been stung by the vehemence of the evolutionary believers - i've got some interesting things that maybe science in the classroom could approach.

some premises - .

evolution is only a theory - its not a fact any more than newtonian physics was a fact.

doogie

ok...let's try this again...

Q:

I do appreciate what you're trying to do, evaluate creationism as anything other than simply Anti-Evolution, but I think that it's just not possible (as others have already mentioned). It just seems like you're kind of grasping at straws here. (and you said you were going to avoid strawmen!)

Many of the arguments you presented are the exact same predictions that we would expect if evolution was true:

:Creation suggests that species cannot change from one species to another - this rule must hold for at least one species (ie even if one organism is shown to have not adapted from another that would be a proof for creation at least for that species.).

evolution suggests the same. evolution does not predict that entire species "change" into another. Natural selection does not work on species but rather on individuals within a species. You could say that one species splits into 2, but it doesn't magically "change" into another.

:It should be well nigh impossible to find transitional stages in the same fossil layer that show the eradication of species by adaptation into species found in the next geological layer (or even the same one)

You will never find the idea of "eradication of species by adaptation" in evolutionary theory. Some people say, "if humans evolved, why are there still monkies?" but this betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution rather than a weakness of the theory itself. (as mentioned above)

:9/ It must be possible to engineer the building blocks of life. It must be possible to create species that are mixtures of other species and that are viable and can produce offspring. Genetic engineering must be achievable using intelligent processes.

:10/ It must be possible to show how ecosystems can be planned and engineerable. This must be tied to the ability to disperse any life forms across planet boundaries. Creation must have a provable dispersal system.

if humans are able to "engineer the building blocks of life" and 'engineer ecosystems', how would that prove that a supernatural entity had to originally do these same things? I think this would rather disprove creationism.

Also, the definition of "species" is a group of lifeforms that are able to produce viable offspring. Conversely, if 2 creatures are unable to produce offspring they are not of the same species. So, it is impossible, by definition, for members of 2 different species to interbreed.

Are you saying that creationism would expect to see members of different species producing offspring?...because, umm...we don't. again, not a great argument FOR creation.

:11/ The addition of genetic information must be almost impossibly difficult to do by natural mechanistic approaches. While genetic mutation can occur creation would expect that mutation process to struggle to add new material.

so would evolution. that's why it takes millions of millions of years and the vast majority of mutations are harmful.

:no new information must be observed entering the gentic code to produce a large scale change.

This is also the case for evolution. Evolution would be disproved if we OBSERVED this. unless of course you live to be millions of years old...

I?m not trying to jump down your throat, Q, I just wanted to point out that many of your arguments are actually the same predictions that we would expect to see if evolution was true.

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Creationism - is purely a myth that is untestable - maybe not!

by Qcmbr in

i've been doing my homework having been stung by the vehemence of the evolutionary believers - i've got some interesting things that maybe science in the classroom could approach.

some premises - .

evolution is only a theory - its not a fact any more than newtonian physics was a fact.

doogie

oh...you gotta be kidding me...

i've been typing for about 20 minutes and now it's gone...

jeez...