had to edit this.
sorry.. gossip gossip gossip.. i'm not saying we aren't their definition of apostate, but they have no evidence against us, so they make it up.. "no one can take advantage of you, without your permission.
" ann landers
15 Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotions and family ties, such as grandparents’ love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God, as stated by the sister quoted on page 26. Anyone who is feeling the sadness and pain that the disfellowshipped relative has thus caused may find comfort and be encouraged by the example set by some of Korah’s relatives.
F*#@king GB bastards!
did you ever really believe armaggedon was just about to happen?.
maybe to such a degree that you were scared or made major changes in your life?.
i'm not old enought to remmeber 1975 but with the gulf war a lot of people got scared and believed the end was coming ( including me).. werent we doing the revelation book at the time?.
I had Armageddon-phobia. Through the WTS's constant guilt inducing, I never thought I was going to make it. My mom instilled this sense of urgency, she was a big watcher of current events as they related to bible "prophecy". I feel very relieved that it was all BS.
here is some interesting info from a website at http://www.refocus.org/postcult.html that may help those just leaving the wts to understand the feelings they are experiencing (and the rest of us too).
it is not about jw's per se, but it still applies.. --------------------------.
post-cult trauma syndrome*.
Thanks for posting this. A lot of us need to see that these feelings are not unique to exJW's.
i have read a couple of threads the last couple of days that dealt with what you have to give up when becoming a jw.. most posts that i read said they have to give up getting a higher education.
my question is this: is that still a trend today?
that elders frown or discourage young jws from going to college or university by telling them to put kingdom's interest first?
Case in Point:
A friend received a full scholarship from a local
college to study to become a veternarian. She is now a freshman there.
Her congregation was just the host congregation so had the CO & DO visit together. The DO heard that this girl was in college full time. He came up to her after a meeting, and said very smugly.."oh, you're in College huh, let's just hope you find the time to pioneer". and then he just walked off.
- Need we say more?
maybe some of you who have been out for many years can answer this.. do you think that the flow of people leaving the borg has been increasing?
and do you think that we will ever live to see their complete downfall?
if you do think this is a likely scenario, how do you see it unfolding?.
I am starting to believe that we may live to see the WTS crumble or at least fragment into different groups, maybe liberal and conservative. When we were back in London, I had a peak at their December KM and it had a whole box explaining why their big expansion that they've been planning and working on for years has now been cancelled. Some mumbo jumbo about the "scene of the world changing"...and, "in light of recent world events" - obviously alluding to the 9/11 attack. The fact is, they are tightening up on corporate spending, and are downsizing. YIPPEEE!!!!
do you remember the excitement of a brand new box of crayola crayons?
running your fingers over the perfectly sharp tips, none broken or peeled.
all 96 colors like flesh (now peach), indian red (now chestnut), periwinkle, goldenrod, green blue (now retired),lemon yellow (now retired), and new colors you may not know about such as macaroni and cheese, purple mountain's majesty, granny smith apple, and pig pink.
Closer,
Yes, it was the Ticle Me Elmo - Surpise edition. We were not winners - CRAP! What a great toy though.
last night at meeting they told us to just use our blood cards from last year.
in the past they've always told us how important it was to get it signed every year so that people could see our current views as jw's.....doesn't this new arangement negate everything they've ever said in regards to this?
absolutely nuts!.
Hi DIM,
Funny. If last year you were to say to an elder "well, I still have my card from last year in like-new condition, I don't think I'll use a new card this year", they would have strongly counseled you for your "independent" thinking. If you are a brother, you would probably not be given any "priveledges" either because of this rebellious spirit. Now, yet again, the WTS can arbitrarily change a rule without any explanation to the R & F. Everyone sits there nodding their heads to the wonderful new light or "simplification". Boy, were we BRAINDEAD or what!!!
do you remember the excitement of a brand new box of crayola crayons?
running your fingers over the perfectly sharp tips, none broken or peeled.
all 96 colors like flesh (now peach), indian red (now chestnut), periwinkle, goldenrod, green blue (now retired),lemon yellow (now retired), and new colors you may not know about such as macaroni and cheese, purple mountain's majesty, granny smith apple, and pig pink.
Hey Closer,
Long time no speak. I loved this post. your daughters "OOOOOOOO.."
is priceless. I just bought my 16 month old son an Elmo doll, so I can relate to your joy.
-Thanks.
i remember the all the gravel roads in mississippi where i grew up then someone dicovered asphalt and things changed.i remember my mississippi back woods country jw grandmother saying, "they will never.
make it to the moon, if jehovah would have wanted man on the moon he would have put him there....they will never make it!".
i also remember my grandmother speaking so negativley about the "high and mighty" government" but 1975 was coming!
My mother claims to be "anointed". She has for the last 20 years or so. What I never understood is this:
pre-1935 this was the only classification of JW, whether you were 8 or 80 years old. When someone new made the claim of being one of the anointed post-1935 they were viewed as replacements for one who had died unfaithful. Numerous WT articles make the statement that any replacement anointed would most likely come from among those who have served faithfully for MANY YEARS. Why would that be the case, if as I said, you could have been 8 years old and considered "anointed" pre-1935 ??? Yet another WT riddle.
perhaps this is not a widespread phenomenon, but have any of you considered the ramifications in regards to many jw families never saving for retirement or college funds, becues they thought the end was near, or college was a non-issue for so many of us?
just recently my parents never saved any money, becuase the promise of the end coming soon, but as old age creeps closer, i think some of the policy is revealing itself to be really bad advice.
i also wonder how long jws have to keep working after retirement age than the rest of the 'worldlies".
Valis is right. Here's a quote from a recent CO's talk:
"Everything that we do, we should do it with Armageddon in mind.
We should factor that in with every decision we make, whether it's buying something or doing something."
ok,, so what that SHOULD mean is: no pensions or IRA's, no college fund for your kids, no college (if you're now in High School), no job promotions, the list goes on.
Meantime, they contradict these statements made from the platform with their written articles on topics like life insuarnce, pensions, and education. It's like they have to "officially" say through their printed pages that witnesses need to figure on being around for a while in this old system.
They say this is the "course of wisdom", that it does not show a lack of faith. The reality though, when you actually start to plan wisely for you and your family's future, is that you will be counseled for it. They will start to highlight all the spiritual dangers and treat you as though you are "weak".
Case in point: A personal friend of mine received a full scholarship from a local college to study to become a veternarian. She is now a freshman there. Her congregation was just the host congregation so had the CO & DO visit together. The DO heard that this girl was in College full time. He came up to her after the meeting, and said very smugly.."oh, you're in College huh, let's just hope you find the time to pioneer". and then he just walked off.
I rest my case.
