mamochan13
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When You See A Witness What's Your First Reaction?
by minimus ini saw a few mindlessly working a neighborhood as i was driving the other day.
they looked so unhappy, just walking in baby steps, looking like zombies..
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What's the latest status on ol' Brother Prince Rogers Nelson?
by NoRegrets ini was last affiliated with a minneapolis area congregation a few years back.
we saw prince and the larry graham entourage at a sunday meeting once and at many assemblies and conventions.
i know he was affiliated with a congregation in a city named chanhassen at one time.
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mamochan13
As a musician who fought for years with local elders who beleived my choice of employment made me borderline apostate, I was amazed to visit a congregation in Hollywood back in the early 80s. They said most of their group were musicians or people working in the film business as artists of some type, and in talking to them I realized that they were judged by very different standards.
I remember the jokes local elders and COs made about MJ when he came out with his "bad" album as they tried to explain away his apparent defection from JWs.
You only have to read a few WT and Awake "experience" life stories in which musicians and others with promising careers describe how they gave everything up to go pioneering. You can't be a JW and still pursue anything worthwhile in life, whether it be music, medicine, arts, etc. You have to prove your worth by sacrificing it all.
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mental disease?
by mamochan13 injust sorting this concept out.
so apparently i have a mental disease because i no longer believe jw propaganda.
hmm.
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mamochan13
just sorting this concept out. So apparently I have a mental disease because I no longer believe JW propaganda. Hmm. Sounds like a line from West Side Story. Dear Officer Krupkie...I have a mental disease. But JWs would not be allowed to watch that, would they?
But the mental disease theory explains why my mother was so sure I was going to do something to bring reproach on JeHOHvah (I feel nauseous every time I think of how they pronounce this) if I was left to my own devices regarding my brothers funeral. Maybe it even explains why they didn't bother to pick up the phone to tell me he had died. Someone with a mental disease can"t be trusted to have a respectful memorial service
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How Have you Counted your time for Pioneering?
by jehu or jehonadab injust woundering how have you counted your time in field service especially if you were pioneering?.
would like to see if any of you were on the same page as i was.
with so much to do, like reading all the watchtower and awake each month and the bible reading each week.
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mamochan13
I pioneered when it was 100 hours a month. They soon dropped it to 90 but it was still so very very hard to get anywhere near. I think maybe one month out of the three years I did it I managed to honestly get anywhere close. But mostly I'd do things like stand on street corner at 7 am and then count time for anything and everything else until noon. Hold down a job and support yourself at the same time? yeah, sure.
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Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.
by stillstuckcruz inthis is truly terrible.
i just love the statement "instead of eulogizing the deceased, use the material in this outline to give a fine witness concerning the truth.
" in other words, utterly disregard the deceased.
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mamochan13
the JW doing my brother's talk today loosely followed this outline, but i think he couldn't go real hardcore because my brother was far from being a JW. At my aunt's funeral, however, it was exactly as outlined. Horrible. But it's exactly why they would not open up the memorial for friends and others to remember my brother and why they were so determined to prevent me from doing a memorial here the way I wanted (his was in another province). Gotta stick with the outline.
I told my daughters that when I die I want them to make sure they hold it in the basement of some church, make sure there are plenty of pagan symbols around, anything to prevent JWs from even coming in the door!
They will take any crumb...they will do propaganda for any death.
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How long did Conventions used to be?
by donuthole ini remember as a child in the 1980's attending four day conventions.
i know in the past conventions were even longer.
does anyone know how long they use to last and the approximate years?
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mamochan13
I was at the vancouver 8-day one in '69, too. My mom's old cadillac was really struggling on the way back and we made a lot of stops for help. I don't think we had a sign in the window, but we did get help from both JWs and non.
I remember the nightmare lineups. Ran out of food. No bathrooms. I was a teenager with female issues and I recall having to put paper in all the windows of my mom's cadillac to take care of personal needs because the bathroom line up was miles long. Because my mom had four little ones, she didn't stay for the evening sessions. Some braniac scheduled the day's end so it conflicted with Vancouver's end of work day rush hour traffic. We sat in bumper-to-bumper traffic for some three hours. People were insanely angry at the JWs.
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"we don't need holidays as an excuse to give gifts to our children"
by Sour Grapes inbefore my mother became a jehovah's witness i remember.
the fun of christmas and opening the beautifully wrapped.
gifts under the christmas tree.
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mamochan13
As a child I don't think I ever received a wrapped gift from my parents. My grandparents celebrated xmas so I'd get some from them. My mother used to joke that my dad like that she was a JW because he didn't have to buy gifts for anyone ever. And now that I think about it...they didn't.
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2 year old in China run over-people just walk by
by PaintedToeNail inwhen i saw this article on the news it really disturbed me.
the callousness of the 'people' walking by this poor, sweet baby as she lay writhing in pain and all alone, was horrific to say the least.
my blood truly felt like it ran cold and i've been thinking about this little girl all night.
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mamochan13
one of the most disturbing things Ive ever watched. People looking at this little child as she rolls around in pain. A second car running over her. So what do we conclude? Many are choosing the cultural explanation. Maybe true. Who knows?
I guess in the context of this forum of ex-JWs, all I have to say is that this little girl's pain is no different than that experienced by so very many who are abused by the JWs.
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Your most memorable Kingdom Hall meeting disruptions!
by easyreader1970 ini remember about twenty years ago some teenagers were caught fornicating in one of the additional schools.
the schools were downstairs, essentially separated from the rest of the kh.
they weren't just happened upon, though.
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mamochan13
a long-suffering sister had a wordly husband who was an alcoholic. One meeting he came in halfway through the Watchtower study and quite respectfully put up his hand. The guy on stage asked the "brother in the back". The worldly husband slurred, "who is this Jehovah you keep talking about?" the guy on the platform realized his mistake and tried to ignore him, moving on to someone else with their hand up. The husband began to grumble louder and louder, asking "why won't he answer my questions?" Finally several attendants escorted him out forcibly and his embarrassed wife followed.
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mamochan13
Great thread, and Teary and others doing the "dual personality" thing - thanks for a well-needed laugh.
I think people must define apostate by degree. Are you apostate when you simply leave the religion? Possibly not. But when you put up your first Christmas tree, have you crossed the line? Not necessarily. Early JWs celebrated Christmas. How about actively debating and refuting JW propaganda? Does that make you an apostate? Depends. Degree comes into play again. Do you wear a T-shirt and disrupt a JW meeting or protest outside a KH? Or do you simply quietly advocate the "real truth" to family and friends or in written word?
I define myself as an apostate because I left the faith and have gradually formed a set of beliefs that is quite different. I don't actively try to refute JWs or prosetilize [sp?], but I would never go back. One of my daughters, on the other hand, I think may be in danger of going back even though she doesn't believe most of what JWs teach, but still feels the need to fill some spiritual void.