*sigh*. It all comes back so clearly.The message was reinforced verbally with every CO visit and at conventions. I remember they even had this rumour going around that they could not book international conventions in 1975 because every facility was mysteriously booked, so they pulled the year back to 1974. They used every method, obvious and subtle, to convince us that 1975 was IT.
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In 1968 WTower they said -
by mouthy ini have just finished reading watchtower of aug 15th 1968.
( i was still there then) i couldnt believe what i'm reading & i qoute.
"are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975 & the longed looked for thousand year reign of christ will begin by then?
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Free online courses from accredited schools... Your opinion
by MC RubberMallet inhttps://www.coursera.org/.
though you won't be accredited, what do you think of this program?.
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mamochan13
I think it's an amazing concept, making education available to everyone. I took a couple of the courses. They are high-quality, and really well done. Some do offer credits. But even if you don't get credit, they do enhance your resume
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"To Verdener" (World's Apart) with English subtitles ---- download
by inkling inas far as i know, the excellent danish film "to verdener" .
("worlds apart") is still not available for purchase on.
dvd in the us.. (anyone know otherwise?).
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mamochan13
I recall seeing other, more recent threads about this movie, but I can't locate them. I had started to watch it a few years ago but did not finally watch the whole thing until today. It is an excellent movie, well worth seeing. It is unfortunate that it has not received wider distribution, as it so clearly shows the damage the JW religion does to families. Not sure it would have much of an impact on hard-core dubs, but it might wake up some who are on the fence.
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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs
by Lady Lee inthw wts likes to play games with their statistics.
one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?
if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.
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mamochan13
I was trying to recall others besides Jaimie. It just came back to me. A former pioneer, a father of at least one grown daughter. I knew him when I was younger and lost contact with him. He jumped off a bridge.
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Jaycee Dugard Kidnap Suspects Confess
by skeeter1 inyou might remember this case.
nancy garrido was a jehovah's witness at one time, and phillip garrido met her while studying with the jehovah's witnesses..... jaycee dugard kidnap suspects have fully confessed, attorney saysby john simerman.
contra costa times.
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mamochan13
Just read Jaycee's book. Very disturbing but worthwhile.
The mind control this freak practiced was something else. I'm amazed that little girl survived to become such a strong, well-adjusted woman.
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Yes the WT Told Millions of Youth NO COLLEGE!!
by JT in*** watchtower september 1 1975 p.543 questions from readers *** .
how many years of secular education are advisable for children in christian households?
today, there are many teenage baptized servants of jehovah... how far should they go with a secular education?
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mamochan13
Oh yes they did!!
In fact, in my circuit back in the late '60s early '70s they actually encouraged us to drop out of high school and go pioneering. Many of my peers did. One went to Bethel after leaving school in Grade 11. I actually asked the circuit overseer about it because I was actively considering leaving school as well. He got embarrassed and backtracked and said, "well, we aren't really saying you shouldn't finish high school, just that you should make the best use of your time before the end" or something like that. As it was, I went pioneering the moment I was done my minimum high school. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
It wasn't until 33 years later I earned the university degree I should have had back when I was young and free and able to pursue a career I loved.
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Plentyoffish
by sspo inany of the ladies here on plentyoffish.com dating website?.
just interested and curious in seeing some exjw's.. username "fiat123".
what's yours?.
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mamochan13
Joyfulfader, you've highlighted another danger for ex-JWs with online dating (any type, actually). If we rush into it before having a chance to heal from the JW mind control and emotional abuse, our need for acceptance and unconditional love can interfere with our good judgement.
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The Good Food Thread
by MrsCedars inmy inspiration comes from the ingredients i have at hand, very often leftovers, and also home grown produce, herbs and spices.
i still have a lot to learn, but i have come a long way since i first started cooking for mr cedars.. i think the first recipe on this thread should by the one that oodad has posted on other thread.... .
shrimp scampi.
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mamochan13
I'm one of those who makes it up as I go along, so I have a hard time putting recipes to paper. But here's an easy one for zucchini. It has made converts of many zucchini-haters I know. It only works with smaller zucchini - sliced rounds should be no larger than about 3 inches diameter. If your zucchini is bigger than that, shred it for zucchini cake instead (I have a recipe for that somewhere, too!)
Slice zucchini into rounds of about 1/2 inch thick
slice mozzarella cheese, enough to cover each zucchini round completely
combine chopped garlic and butter in a frying pan. Lay zucchini rounds evenly to fill pan. Add salt and pepper to taste. Fry at medium heat. When slightly browned, turn each round over and cook until zucchini is lightly browned on both sides (don't overcook).
when zucchini is almost done, put mozzarella slices on top, turn off heat, and cover the pan. As soon as the cheese is melted, serve.
A variation is to add a slice of tomato under the cheese, or to mix cheddar and mozza cheeses.
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GRRRRRRRR! update for ya'll on my daughter.
by Aussie Oz inso much has happened the last few days in my world.
i am handling it all very well don't worry!.
my daughter left her mothers home, so very hard to do and she has been so very brave and strong.
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mamochan13
My thoughts are with you and your daughter, Oz. I agree with others here. I don't know if you have a formal custody agreement, but you and your daughter have legal rights. She has the right to take her personal possessions if she chooses to live with the other parent. Talk to police, social services - at least see what they say. Particularly if they are preventing her from attending school, ie the uniform.
As difficult as things are - at least you now have her with you and you are able to better protect her from that insanity. The guy sounds like quite a loser, and clearly resents having to do anything for the kids. The "you owe me money because I helped you" is not even a JW thing, he's just on some other planet.
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The Myths of Disfellowshipping
by Londo111 injj allowed me to send him an article for jwstruggle.
i know this might not be everyone's cup of tea on jwn, and i hope this doesn't smack of self-promotion, which i find distasteful, but i hope it might bring comfort to some who have found themselves the victims of judicial committees.
http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/08/the-myths-of-disfellowshipping/.
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mamochan13
Londo, your myths are spot on.
For a long time I didn't know why I felt so disoriented after being reinstated. Then I realized it was because while I was DFd, I had been told repeatedly that I was a nonrepentant practicer of sin who had to be removed to protect the rest of the congregation from being contaminated. They told my children I was not allowed to have a Bible study with them or talk to them about anything related to the religion, even though I had been faithfully teaching them "the truth" from the time they were born.
AFter I was reinstated, I realized that they had lied. I had been put through hell by three men who did not know who I was inside. I was the same person I had always been. I was not an unrepentent sinner, nor was I a danger to the congregation. Never had been. I had been the most faithful of the faithful, following all the rules. But I was lonely and discouraged. Many times I tried to get help and encouragement from the elders, but they never had time for me. In fact, when they called me to set up a meeting to DF me, they didn't even tell me it was a judicial meeting. I went in there thinking I was finally going to get some shepherding help. What a surprise.
I attended the meeting the night they announced it because I wanted to show my humility and desire to remain in the congregation. They were angry and told me to leave, that I was being disrespectful. I requested reinstatement two months later for the same reason. They were angry and told me I was being disrespectful because I had to wait at least a year. It didn't matter what I did, they interpreted it the way they wanted to.
I know many who had the same experience. I was the same person before and after being DF and reinstated. I was a faithful believer of the religion. Nothing had changed. But three men had the power to destroy my life by telling everyone something different about me. It was like Monday I was a faithful witness in good standing. Tuesday I was an unrepentent evildoer. By the time the weekend came around, they had decided I was a faithful witness again. When I realized that, I knew I wanted no part of being a JW anymore.
I just want to reiterate your two key myths about disfellowshipping:
1. The elders make subjective decisions on repentance and they are mainly guided by personal opinion.
2. Most who are DF'd are good, faithful witnesses in everything else except the offence related to being DFd. They are not actively trying to turn the rest of the congregation to wrongdoing.