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What really gets me going

by ballistic in

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i have gone through various emotions including anger at the wtbts for all that i went through while growing up only to be disfellowshipped at 22.. my net result is a dead father due to the blood issue and a split family and, of course, years of wasted time.. i would like to say, however, that i am not angry with all witnesses and i am not a conspiracist who believes the leaders have a hidden agenda.. i believe that informed persons should be able to join the witnesses if they believe it is right for them.. what i hate though is the fact that thousands of children, like i was, are still indoctrinated from birth.

they are told "we don't baptise babies because they are too young to choose it for themselves.

" but in reality, what choice are you really giving a child who by the age of 13 would have experienced: 3380 hours of meetings, 832 hours of larger assemblies, possibly 1560 hours of field service, at least 2028 hours of personal study (watchtower, book study and personal study) and more importantly, what choice does a child have who is told they have an open mind but who is never allowed examine religions or persons with opposing views?.

ballistic

harmony...
I agree it is a delicate situation approaching family members who are still jws. I face a similar situation with my mother who recently re-joined.
I try to remember how I felt when people approached me with opposing views. Those blinkers would go up and even if what they were saying made sense, I would automatically discredit it or find some flaw in their statement or simply let it go in one ear and out the other (a kind of sub-conscious mind-set protection mechanism).
I too have the problem that we talk and I do not wish to loose that. But at least she has made her decision in later years and not through brain washing going back to my original post.
With regard to children, I am one of 7 and all of us left or were disfellowshipped apart from one sister who is still in. I feel that you have the right approach as none of us were helped to make the choice through outside information (a.k.a. apostate literature) and simply showing that people can lead normal happy lives out side of the "truth" would be a good start.
My only advise would be to take every opportunity to encourage a good education and pursuing a carrer, something the organisation will not do for them but which you can't be slated for.

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What really gets me going

by ballistic in

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i have gone through various emotions including anger at the wtbts for all that i went through while growing up only to be disfellowshipped at 22.. my net result is a dead father due to the blood issue and a split family and, of course, years of wasted time.. i would like to say, however, that i am not angry with all witnesses and i am not a conspiracist who believes the leaders have a hidden agenda.. i believe that informed persons should be able to join the witnesses if they believe it is right for them.. what i hate though is the fact that thousands of children, like i was, are still indoctrinated from birth.

they are told "we don't baptise babies because they are too young to choose it for themselves.

" but in reality, what choice are you really giving a child who by the age of 13 would have experienced: 3380 hours of meetings, 832 hours of larger assemblies, possibly 1560 hours of field service, at least 2028 hours of personal study (watchtower, book study and personal study) and more importantly, what choice does a child have who is told they have an open mind but who is never allowed examine religions or persons with opposing views?.

ballistic

I have gone through various emotions including anger at the WTBTS for all that I went through while growing up only to be disfellowshipped at 22.
My net result is a dead father due to the blood issue and a split family and, of course, years of wasted time.
I would like to say, however, that I am not angry with ALL witnesses and I am not a conspiracist who believes the leaders have a hidden agenda.
I believe that informed persons should be able to join the witnesses if they believe it is right for them.
What I hate though is the fact that thousands of children, like I was, are still indoctrinated from birth. They are told "we don't baptise babies because they are too young to choose it for themselves." But in reality, what choice are you really giving a child who by the age of 13 would have experienced: 3380 hours of meetings, 832 hours of larger assemblies, possibly 1560 hours of field service, at least 2028 hours of personal study (watchtower, book study and personal study) and more importantly, what choice does a child have who is told they have an open mind but who is never allowed examine religions or persons with opposing views?

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Music For Mountaineeers

by hillary_step in

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any of you who have ever read the electrifying book by john krakauer into thin air, that related the tragic events of 1998 expedition to conquer everest, will appreciate this work in progress song.

it needs polishing and you will need to turn up the volume.. it is named 'ghosts of the ascent'.

: http://www.dannyokeefe.com/sound/dok_ghosts.mp3.

ballistic

How about "Lets watch how we walk"?

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Where does the WBTS stand on Anti Depressants?

by LizardSnot in

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first, some background info:.

my mother is a 4 meeting a week, no field service, 26 year veteran .

of the jehovah's witness who just moved in.

ballistic

Please everyone read this :* http://www.premier1.net/~raines/mental.html*
I have a lot of experience of mental illness within the org and this document sums up how I feel about it.

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

ballistic

but, also keep up the good work, I'm just saying.

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11 ??????????

by borgfree in

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just received this from a friend.

submitted without comment.

borgfree.

ballistic

If you believe in this you'll believe anything... even the watchtowers 1914 calculation. Anyone care to quote it?

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Hey all you active ones!

by mommy in

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in a discussion with my mom, she mentioned that since the sept 11th there has been a few letter read to her congo.

she didn't go into details, and i didn't want to push to hard about what they said.

but she mentioned that now the world leaders are starting to cry peace and security.

ballistic

They can't loose:
IF THERE'S A WAR it's a sign of the "last days" and

IF THEY DECLARE PEACE it's a sign of the end

Let's call this the WAR AND PEACE CATCH 22

In short, they are obsessed with looking for omens, something condemded in the bible.

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'Apostates' are Victorious: a List

by metatron in

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these are merely summaries, to the extent my memory is accurate.. others (freeminds, watchtower observer) can provide the exact details.. 1) awake publishes holocaust issue - projects image of what 'stand.

up guys' organization was during mass murder of jews.

article.

ballistic

What about the fact that for over a century they have discouraged their members from taking on further education or pursuing a career to follow "kingdom interests" because "the end is near". And to add insult to injury, they now discourage members from doing research over the internet, the internet being not only the fastest growing means of doing business but also stated as being the medium for the "education of the future".

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MAJOR UN/WTS/NGO NEWS - WTS IS GONE

by hawkaw in

as of 11:45 this morning (i had a telphone call this morning with the refernce department person named holly at 212-963-7234), i can tell you that the watchtower has disassociated itself from the united nations dpi!!!!!!.

the dpi is now taking them off the list.

the dpi requested the list removal to be done this morning!!!!!.

ballistic

Most of us here have been Jehovah's Witnesses and I think we're forgetting one thing:
What did you feel like when people critisized your beliefs, the bible, YOUR organisation or even the behaviour of some brother or sister?
Up went the blinkers and the information just flowed in one ear and out the other. Some people are so self-hypnotised through constant study and meditation that they don't even hear what you're saying if it would "hurt" their comfort-zone of psycotic blind belief.
Of course, there are some who listen, and there have been a few comments here to prove that. I just don't want people to think that every Witness will see the "light".
I take exception to those calling the average witness "brain dead". Brain washed is a much more suitable expression.

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I believe in aliens

by ballistic in

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by that i mean it's possible aliens could have visited and influenced the earth.. one of the best quotes i heard by someone who had an alien en-counter was that the aliens told them "that they didn't want to show themselves to the world because they didn't want to affect or influence our religions".

what do you think?

that sounds a bit like a prime directive to me, and could be a good reason why the aliens are simply spying on us.

ballistic

by that I mean it's possible aliens could have visited and influenced the earth.

One of the best quotes I heard by someone who had an alien en-counter was that the aliens told them "that they didn't want to show themselves to the world because they didn't want to affect or influence our religions"

What do you think? That sounds a bit like a prime directive to me, and could be a good reason why the aliens are simply spying on us.