WOW hope my ex-husband heard that talk. I left the JW's in part because he was so anal about it and both our surviving sons left the witness too. Hope he walked away from the talk feeling like shit because he is a big pile of it.
Posts by Balsam
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16So if "parents are to blame for children leaving the truth", then STEP DOWN GB!
by stuckinarut2 inif to mo's comments in the talk re "parents are to blame for children not being in the truth etc", (and yes, as many have already very nicely pointed out that this must therefore imply that "jehovah is to blame for satan and the angels rebelling"), doesn't this mean then that members of the gb need to step down?.
haven't some of the gb got family that are not "in the truth"?.
hypocrites yet again!.
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THE JW CULT AND THE MINDS OF THE RANK AND FILE!
by ADJUSTMENTS inwhat the rank and file jw's go through in the borg is truly disgusting.
they are told fairy tales and told to belive them no mattter what or else... loose your family, friends, wife, kids, mind, in some cases job, home and most importantlay your life now and in the future, so what else would their be to live for???
many commit suicide and the rest of them have given there lives completely to the cult.
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Balsam
all the belief system is tied up in an organization rather than belief in god. Most people are taught to believe in god not a particular religion.
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GB member Anthony Morris mentions concerned JW letter at RC
by Acluetofindtheuser ingb member anthony morris mentioned a letter that was sent to bethel by a concerned jw fearing the gt.
he mentioned it on the last sunday talk.
i always wondered if any letter sent to bethel ever reached gb eyes.
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Balsam
I think they pull these so called stories out of the air, same with some of the letter. It might have been true but it is really shows how the Bethel thinks. Just wait on God and he will provide, even if your starving to death.
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what is the best line to say to a JW handing you an invite to the memorial
by nonjwspouse ini have some ideas, but want more to choose from..
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Balsam
Jesus story is fabricated by early christianity, the whole thing is a myth. LOL It usually gets a jaw drop of astonishment, they don't know what to say except have a good day. "Yah you too," I tell them.
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2 J dubs at my door this morning .
by smiddy inmy wife and i are presently interstate house sitting for a freind , and this morning 2 jw`s called unexpectedly of course .
after their introducing themselves.
they offered the invitation to the memmorial which i rejected , then let him present his spiel , nothing has changed by the way .. i had them their for about an hour , i`m on holidays nothing better to do this morning except keep them away from other doors .and of course they were prepared to stay.
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Balsam
It's hard for JW's to react in such a frontal attack in any kind of thinking way. I know my ex-jw husband got that a few times, he was so angry and none of the information even had an impact. The discussions that JW's come away from thinking it over are much more subtile and not in their face in my opinion. That is what worked with me, a very kind lady only discretely pointed out doctrinal matter that needed consideration. She never attempted to show how I was wrong directly. She would present a question, and urged me to figure out the answer. I know it had to feel good to rake them over the very hot coals of truth though, I have done that a time or two till I changed my tactics.
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My dad got appointed a ministerial servant last week.
by Joliette ini dont know if i should tell him congrats the next time i see him...got a lot of emotions going through me right now..
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Balsam
My first husband was a MS then an Elder got removed because he was sleeping around with a sister, then disfellowshipped then reinstated and back to being an MS after a few years. MS are truely the whipping boys of the Elders, the Elders too often let the power go to their head and are real asses butts. Get to close and they will kick you. Hope you Dad survives, but it might awaken him to the baloney that goes on behind the scenes. My ex heard all kinds of crap but still he remained in the cong because he liked the twistedness of it all. In fact he is still in it and as unhappy as aways. Hope it provides an awakening for your Dad and don't pull him in deeper.
You could laughingly say "Dad heard the news, I don't know whether to congraduate you or offer condolences." He has heard the talk among MS I'm sure you'll find the right thing to say.
Balsam
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Hooray for me!
by stillin incleaning house and chunking out i useless trash today.
guess what went into the trash?
that's right, about ten years worth of magazines, all wt that i truthfully admitted to myself i never look at, and if i did it would be on the cdrom program.
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Balsam
Feels good don't it? I remember after I left I had box fulls of stuff. I still found it hard to throw away so since I was living in a new town I went to the local KH when it was closed and put all the boxes of shit on their steps. Made sure there was nothing in there to identify me. Still kept my leather book back a few more years and then threw it away. It's weird how we can hang on to stuff even after we really don't look at it. Be proud of your self its a big step.
Balsam
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ANONYMITY (Is it really possible on the Internet?)
by Terry ini should begin by screaming the word: no!.
keeping secret your identity while posting in a public forum is like removing your pubic hair with a blowtorch.
which is to say, theoretically possible but not at all feasible!.
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Balsam
I remember geting on this site & various ex or active JW sites years ago reading but not posting at . I knew better than to post anything because I knew Elders who had computers were getting on line and reading posts by people trying to snoop out those who were trying to hide. I was scared because if my own husband found out I was reading here back 14 years ago he would have turned me in. I couldn't even talk to anyone I knew about it. I was terrified of leaving any kind of track of having been here so it was a years before I actually revealed my actual self. But the wealth of thought I found helped me to find the courage to leave the control they had over me. It took a few years of reading but I've never regreted leaving for one moment. I only wished I'd left earlier maybe I could have saved my middle son from dying after his Dad refused blood transfusions for him after an auto accident. But it's been 12 years and life has been better since I left.
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IT IS NOT A CULT!!
by Butterflyleia85 init is not a cult!!!
if you weren't mesmerized by the internet since ya know it never lies!
read the bible how do they go against it.
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Balsam
Her comment is not surprising really, or it shouldn't be. There is nothing more frightening than people who used to be in your religion turning on it and questioning it and saying it is a cult. I went through that same thinking when I first began to question, it was painful and I defended the JW religion. Then gradually I realized the foundation the JW religion was built on was crumbling very quickly. It took me a couple of years to leave fully and it was painful and hard. Calling it a cult to these folks freaks them out but at the same time they need to hear it and understand why it is a cult because of the high control efforts of the GB on the rank & file followers. The shear fact any of them come here and read is evidence of their doubt and feelings something isn't right.
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remember when the "truth" was simple?
by nowwhat? inwe had a saying, "the truth is simple but it is not easy".. everything is now so convoluted and nebulous!.
the 1914 overlapping generations.
blood fractions.
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Balsam
I remember when I became a JW back in 1970 it seemed pretty straight forward, but as the time passed I began to realize there was a lot of rocks for tripping over beneath the surface waters. Organ transplants, blood transfusion changes, vaccinations, etc were all things I became of aware of still I stayed in it for 30 years because of my husband who became a JW same time I did. We put up with all kinds of baloney, he more than me. Finally I'd had enough of it all including him after he let our son die, refusing blood transfusions for him as he died. I'm glad to be free of the idiosy.