jehovah's witnesses say it is not their responsibility to report child sex abuse to police unless mandatory reporting legislation is in place.. a victorian inquiry on thursday heard that when a jehovah's witness leader hears allegations of abuse they are directed immediately to contact the society's legal department to check their obligations under state law.. jehovah's witness legal counsel rachel van witsen said elders were not expected to know their legal obligations.. "this is done to ensure elders fully comply with any legal requirements that may be applicable in the state in which they reside," she said.. "in victoria if there was mandatory reporting the immediate advice would be to report that immediately.".
the society's director terrence o'brien said the decision to take the allegations to police lay with the victim.. "without mandatory reporting we don't feel that as ministers of religion that's our obligation to do that," mr o'brien said.. however, the organisation would encourage the victim to report it and would co-operate fully with police, he said.. ms van witsen said elders would make an exception if they felt the child was threatened.. "we would report that to appropriate authorities," she told the inquiry.. "we're about stopping child abuse.".
two ministers have been removed from the society for child sex abuse in 40 years of records, the parliamentary inquiry heard.. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2013/04/11/20/59/jehovah-s-witnesses-stay-in-line-on-abuse.
So - only TWO - yes TWO!!!!! elders have been removed for child abuse in the last 40 years.
It confirms the accusation of Silent Lambs that abusers are still in "good standing" even after being tried and convicted.
What about warning those in danger (the reason all witlesses are told to go on door to bore misery) But of course - protecting children doesnt bring in money or more victims to sucker.
HB
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"Time left is reduced" Paul penned that cliffhanger 2 000 years ago. I need Tenna panty liners i am sooo excited.
More Kingdumb Misery, and door to bore hawking the Witchtower.
HB
so i went to the hall today for a funeral and took a look at the bulletin board.
i was surprised to see a letter stating the dc for michigan would be held at the local assembly hall instead of the big convention center in ohio where it had been held the past few years.
have you all heard about this?.
Noolite memo on "BULLETIN" board?!!!!!! What was this?
Bulletin is from the italian "bulletino" or little notice, put up on a wall or church door. From the latin "bulla" or announcement.
What did the memo say?
HB
making people cling to the organization more.
when i found out it was up i told so many people frantically that there is a new study article up and that it had so many changes.
my mother started crying saying how happy she is to be a part of an organization that is truly directed by jehovah... only the true faithful and discreeet slave could have such insight.... another person began to say how great it is to see the celestial chariot on the move.. .
Most of the people who were told they were "behold - the Great Crowd" are now DEAD DEAD DEAD. So they were NOT the GC as it says they "come out of the Great Trubulation".
The increasing number of partakers shows that the Great Crowd is now being gathered. As John 6 says all who want everlasting life must eat Christ and drink his blood. Proof of how near the end we are.
A WT of about 3 years ago discussed the passage in John, and pointed out that jesus was talking to people of BOTH hopes.
Jehooobies Chariot is moving to explain what was never expected. I am going back to the Kingdumb hell and eating those crackers...
HB
i'm reading through the watchtower rule book right now and i came to the chapter clarification and guidelines on handling certain matters.
there is a part about scriptural divorce and even if adultery is not proved if your ex stayed all night or is involved in an immoral sleeping arrangement you can get scriptural grounds to remarry.. .
they make a rule, then they have to make a rule for the rule, make another rule for the rule for the rule.
The elduhs can now DF you for what they think MIGHT have happened - even if the accused deny it.
How is a sleeping arrangement immoral. If all you are doing is sleeping under the same roof and nothing more?
There was a case in the midwest - its on this board, where the weather changed and the brothers visiting would have risked their lives in sub zero temperatures if she had made them leave. The elders DFed her.
It is getting soo victorian and puritannical no sane person gives them any credibility as Gods mouthpiece.
God help you if you have an alsatian living in your home - what will you get up to the elduhs must wonder.
Can you let somebody's child stay over night and be DF for child molesting? PROBABLY NOT
sorry it's gonna be long winded.
i've done my best to reconstruct from memory.
my husband was next to me the whole time.
The Witchtower is from their father a liar and father of the lie.
They have told and continue to tell so many lies they deserve to be lied to.
As it says in Proverbs: "answer a fool according to his foolishness."
HB
can anyone comment on whether bethel is laying people off?
as in, sending folks out of bethel to go pioneer somewhere?
i have heard rumors but would like more detail.
NY passed a law saying these kinds of operation must provide health care and pensions to the older volunteers.
Same as in Spain - that's the real reason they closed the Spanish Beth Hell.
HB
ok you slutty and independent slobs, pay attention.
how many instances of loaded language and mind-control techniques can you spot in the following article from the may 2002 km?
whoever gets the most wins a brown suit from goodwill.. modesty in dress and grooming- km may 2002.
KINGDUMB MISERY
while preaching this past saturday 3-16-13 the following conversation took place in my car with an elder from my cong, my wife, a retired sister and myself.. me: addressing my wife i asked her: do you know how is brother (moron) that crashed his car into a fire station while drunk?
wife: don't know.
last thing i heard was that he was in a critical condition.at this point the elder chimes in.. elder: poor guy!
The sheer disgusting technicality here is:
Without two witnesses, the parents and the child concerned can be DF for slander if they persist in their accusations, even when the case somes to court and the attacker is jailed. There have been several accounts on this board where the pedo is in jail, in good standing with the congo, and the victims were DF.
But then jehoobie has slaughtered, and plans to slaughter innumerable little ones. He even said that a victim of rape should be forced to marry her attacker!
So much for the Death god's loving kindnes
HB
that article about jehovah's witnesses having the lowest retention rate for born ins keeps popping up every now again ... i'm just curious if any of you have noticed that this is actually the case.
in the congregation that i grew up in, i'm going to say that 95% of the young people in their teens to mid twenties are either regular pioneering, regular auxiliary pioneering, serving in foreign language congregations or where the need is greater.
both of my younger sisters are regular pioneers - and the young people in their hall even organize 8 pm to midnight service on friday nights of their own accord.
Oh forgot to say 8pm to MIDNIGHT?
Who goes door to bore misery at 11PM?
Like the piosneers who go on one call at 9 am then spend the rest of the morning drinking coffee.
They prolly go clubbing after handing out a leaflet or two.
HB
