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  Satans Withness, a know nick name?

  by pallemar in

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  in denmark, jehovas witness are beginning to get santas witness as a nick name, becourse of all the lies and false argument they make.

  the "copy and paste pioneerss", from the wathtower magasine, with false qoutes, and things taken out of contekst, what reverse the mening they aktuli say.

  it is normal to conclude, what people who lies, is inspiret of satans, but a organisation, who say everybody outside jehovas withnes is under satans domaen, and then recoment to lie to hide the trueness of the organisation.

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  moomanchu

  Hi pallemar welcome to JWD,

  the lie i get most is, "Jehovas withnes is very tolerant, to other religiens, and celebrate the fredom og religion" if what is true, i'm a cow.. MUHH!

  Me too (not) Mooooooooooo
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  I accuse my wife of apostacy. Hilarity ensues.

  by under_believer in

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  this one ranged all over the place.

  i post these because i am hoping someone can give me additional advice.

  wife: why didn't you want to read the daily text to the kids?

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  moomanchu

  She is among the sizeable group of JW's who believe that they can pick and choose their beliefs from the JW smorgasboard, and yet still call themselves JW's as long as they keep quiet about it.

  Too true, I feel the way you do. Either accept it all, or reject it all. No sitting on the fence.

  I would probably have been just as in her face as you were if not more, I'd say you won that battle but

  you might end up losing the war. Just more It takes years to program, it will take years to deprogram.

  On your original argument I love to use this one:

  Since only JW,s and people who have not rejected JW,s (those who were not preached to) are the only ones to survive armageddon, stopping field service would actually help "worldly People".

  enjoy moo
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  Verbatim Court Transcript Maria Russell vs Charles Taze Russell

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did rose ball sit on c.t.

  russell's lap?

  did they caress each other?

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  moomanchu

  If Maria was lying about Roses addmition to her,

  Chuck would want Rose in the court room to destroy Marias testimony.

  Rose would want to be in court to clear her own name.

  She wasn't, something is very fishy .

  When was Rose sent to Aust. and what was the reason given ?
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  Hate at site of convention goers!

  by blumandy in

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  so im eating dinner with my hubby and kids at a local family restaurant, when in walks some people with name tags of some sort, i cant read them, im sitting to far away, but they have the look of the convention name tags.

  well i guess i can spot a jw right off, because sure enough as i got closer, there it was a flash back from the past.

  the same ol name tags.

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  moomanchu

  I felt the same way you did for awhile, then the feeling gave way to mild irritation. Soon I was rolling my eyes, and then moved on to amusement and pity.

  Ditto

  Spending alot of time on this board does tend to give you a elevated anti-JW mentality,

  with good reason though.
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  cult I.D. article

  by moomanchu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thought this was an interesting article

  what are some ways to tell the difference between a cult and a legitimate christian church?

  some simple criteria are listed below for examining a group's beliefs, attitudes, and actions.. criterion one: rejection of the doctrine that has been passed down from the beginning through the apostles and the inspired authors of scripture (2 timothy 1:13-14 ; titus 1:9 ).. jesus said:.

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  moomanchu

  Hi Seren,

  http://www.rbc.org/bible_study/answers_to_tough_questions/home.page

  click on world religons

  then click on cults

  enjoy
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  cult I.D. article

  by moomanchu in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thought this was an interesting article

  what are some ways to tell the difference between a cult and a legitimate christian church?

  some simple criteria are listed below for examining a group's beliefs, attitudes, and actions.. criterion one: rejection of the doctrine that has been passed down from the beginning through the apostles and the inspired authors of scripture (2 timothy 1:13-14 ; titus 1:9 ).. jesus said:.

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  moomanchu

  thought this was an interesting article

  What are some ways to tell the difference between a cult and a legitimate Christian church?

  Some simple criteria are listed below for examining a group's beliefs, attitudes, and actions.

  CRITERION ONE: Rejection of the doctrine that has been passed down from the beginning through the apostles and the inspired authors of Scripture (2 Timothy 1:13-14 ; Titus 1:9 ).

  Jesus said:

  I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber (John 10:1).

  Does the group accept the Bible as the written Word of God, or does it consider other documents of equal or greater importance than Scripture? Does Scripture provide the basis for its doctrine and the values of its members, or do leaders arbitrarily set the standards? The principles of Christian liberty and the priesthood of the believer can only be honored when Scripture is the ultimate judge of values.

  A group that denies such basic doctrines as the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the reality of a bodily resurrection, and salvation by grace alone through faith in Christ is clearly a cult.

  CRITERION TWO: Unbiblical leadership

  Jesus said:

  Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them (Matthew 7:15-20).

  A healthy Christian group has leaders of good character who uphold biblical standards for church discipline ( 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ). Leaders of integrity "produce fruit in keeping with repentance" ( Matthew 3:8 ; Mark 4:20 ; Luke 6:43-49 ; Ephesians 5:1-11 ; Colossians 1:10 ). Although no leaders are perfect (2 Corinthians 4:1-7 ), good leaders:

  • Aren't arrogant and authoritarian but are open to admonishment and correction ( Mark 10:15 ; John 13:12-17 ; Galatians 2:11-16 ).
  • Aren't enslaved to obvious vices ( 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ; 1 Timothy 3:1-7 ; 2 Timothy 3:1-7 ).
  • Are growing in faith, wisdom, and allegiance to the truth( Exodus 18:21 ; Ephesians 4:11-16 ).
  • Aren't tolerant of wickedness ( Psalm 15:1-5 ; Ephesians 5:11 ).

  Superficially, cult leaders may appear trustworthy. However, on closer examination they are disturbed men or women of questionable motives and methods -- unscrupulous, manipulative, authoritarian, and immoral. They claim excessive personal authority, deny the principles of Christian liberty and the priesthood of the believer, and ignore the pattern Jesus established for settling conflicts within the church ( Matthew 18:15-17 ). Closer observation usually reveals that they are enslaved to sin in some obvious way: adulterers, liars, intimidators, slanderers, sexual addicts, substance abusers.

  CRITERION THREE: Unhealthy group pressure and hostility to the truth

  No group of people is perfectly dedicated to the truth. The corruption of the "the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does" ( 1 John 2:16 ) infects every congregation to some degree. Further, because every church is made up of a variety of people with a wide range of backgrounds, interests, and capacities, each will have a unique perspective. Differences in viewpoint and occasional errors are to be expected. But beyond such predictable imperfections, there are reasonable expectations that any legitimate church should fulfill.

  A healthy church will deal with criticism or questions regarding its point of view openly, honestly, and patiently. (Some churches can be cult-like in their rigidity and defensiveness without being full-blown cults.) Cults, on the other hand, are defensive, evasive, or belligerent to an extreme when reasonable questions are raised. They foster an atmosphere of spiritual bondage through legalism and group intimidation ( 2 Peter 2:1-20 ). Many cults forbid their members to read literature that questions or disagrees with their own unique point of view. 1

  CRITERION FOUR: Does the group separate itself from outsiders on the basis of arbitrary, unbiblical standards?

  A healthy Christian group practices biblically defined separation from the world ( Matthew 5:20; John 17:15 ; 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ). Cults,in contrast, often encourage their members to isolate themselves from the world in unbiblical ways. They will often encourage members to avoid contact with other Christians or even family members who don't belong to their particular group. They will define membership on the basis of an arbitrary list of "do's and don'ts." Anyone not willing to agree to the list is treated as an outsider.

  The apostle Paul expressed a biblical attitude toward cultural truth when he said:

  Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible (1 Corinthians 9:19).

  All the standards listed above are important, but some are more essential than others. The first is crucial. Any departure from confidence in the authority of Scripture, orthodox doctrine, or salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone is a sure sign of a cult. Groups that fail the first test will almost always fail the last three as well. On the other hand, some groups that are not cults in the strictest sense due to their formal adherence to the first standard might be seriously deficient in one or more of the last three. In such a case the group should still be considered "cultic" or "cult-like," and avoided.

  1 These are some key things to consider:

  Does a group allow examination of its own history, or does it threaten to discipline or dismiss members who study it too closely?Does the group permit examination of its teachings in the light of Scripture?Does the group encourage discussion of its distinctives? ( Luke 1:3 ; 2 Timothy 3:10-15 ).
  Has the group set up a system of salvation by works?
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 7-9-06 WT Study (TELL FINALE)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 7-9-06 wt study (june 1, 2006 issue date, pages 21-25)(tells finale).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  moomanchu

  So if an anointed JW is df'd, will God then select a replacement, foreknowing that they will not come back or does he have to wait until they die in the df'd state?

  Good question,

  and why did God choose them in the first place ?

  Does the borg even allow an annointed one to be reinstated as an annointed one ?

  Thanks for article Blondie.
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  Can you think of any WT books that aren't 192 pages?

  by silentWatcher in

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  2. bible

  so, the latest book at the convention was 224 pages, and not the typical 192 pages.

  more manna from heaven :-) .

  besides the greatest man book, can you think of any regular issue book (nwt, proclaimers books, bound volumes, etc not included) that was not 192 pages.

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  moomanchu

  224 / 7 = 32

  32 + 1975 = 2007 = =
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  See you next convention, or in the new system!

  by daystar in

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  2. beliefs

  this was a comment my jw mother recently relayed to my father.. i don't know if it was by an elder, co, etc.

  ... ... ... they must really be preparing for some "big announcement" next dc.

  i know there have been rumors here.

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  moomanchu

  I remember the WT backed off end of world stuff before and around the new millenium.

  I think they pulled out all the stops and started the old rhetoric again.

  It's a sure fire method to light a fire under the dubs arses.
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  What is the name of the Holy Spirit?

  by moomanchu in

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  2. bible

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  matthew 28:19 therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them inthe name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit,.

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  moomanchu

  The expression "Stop in the name of the Law," does not mean the Law has a specific name. Likewise, Matt. 28:19 is not referring to a specific name.

  Would this apply to the father and the son also? Something don't quite jive here.