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  OMG! OMG! OMG! My DAD has the Sept KM QB part!! We have been....

  by oompa in

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  2. experiences

  e-mailing back and forth for days about the qb, and he only told me today that he had not even noticed anything new or different about this material until i had brought it up.

  he says it would be "absurd" to think the fds mean all literature and web sites other than the wt ones are not to be used for anything, but that the context of the article needs to be taken into consideration.

  that the context is key.

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  lesterd

  FDS this FDS that, when will the RF figure out that there are no FDS at the helm of the WT anymore, that generation thing they kept pounding on should tell them that.

  And who did the FDS use to validate their intruptations in the NWT?

  Johannes Greber

  In 1962 they started to use a Spiritualist and Medium named Johannes Greber to support their doctrines and their Bible translation. (The New World translation)
  
  Even when God Forbids us to consult them, follow them, or use them in any form.
  The Bible condemns all forms of spiritualism.
  Leviticus 19:31, 20:6,27 Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Galatians 5:12, Revelation 21:8
  
  Even still the Watchtower society used him for 14 years!
  
  The word, who is he? according to John 1962, pg. 5
  
  The Watchtower, Sept. 15,1962 pg. 554
  
  Make sure of all things, 1965, pg. 489
  
  Aid to Bible understanding, 1971, pg. 1134
  
  Aid to Bible understanding, 1971, pg. 1669
  
  The Watchtower, Oct. 15, 1975, pg. 640
  
  The Watchtower, April, 15,1976,pg.231
  
  Now you may ask where's the lie?
  In 1983 someone wrote to the Watchtower and asked about them using Johannes Greber in their publications.
  The Watchtower said that according to the forward in Johannes Greber's 1980 translation of the Bible, he said that God's spirit world helped him translate his translation and his wife was a spirit medium.
  So the Watchtower has deemed it improper to make use of a translation that has such a close rapport with spiritism. Deu. 18:10-12.
  
  But back in 1955 in a book that they published called "What do the Scriptures say about survival after death" on page 88 it said that "It comes as no surprise that one Johannes Greber, a former Catholic clergyman, has become a spiritualist" also the same article was repeated in the Oct.1, 1955 Watchtower on page 603.
  
  Then in the Feb.15,1956 Watchtower on pages 110-111 it said "Very plainly the spirits in which ex-priest Greber believes helped him in his translation"
  
  They still used him in the 1987 Spanish version of the book called "Aid to Bible understanding" on page 1258. Even after they said that they only found out in 1980, which is not true, it was in 1955!
  
  WHY DID THEY USE HIM FOR SUPPORT OF THEIR TRANSLATION OF THE N.W.T. BIBLE, AND THEN LIE ABOUT KNOWING WHO AND WHAT HE WAS?
  
  The Watchtower puts out a book called a index that has all their subject listings from 1930-1985. How come they only show that they used Greber two times, once in 62, when they first used him and again in 83, when they said that they found out that he was a spiritualist? What about all the other times they used him? How come they didn't list the 1955 or the 1956 W.T. or the Survival after death book? (Those said that Greber was a spiritualist). They hide the fact that they knew who he was, A Spiritualist!
  Sounds like a cover up to me!
  
  Now since the organization has left out these references in their Index, when the average witness tries to look them up, he can't find them! It makes it very hard for him to check them out. Thanks to the organization!
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  You can be Disfellowshiped for being too FAT!!!!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  watch 74 p.167 "by disobediently overindulging in food and making a glutton of himself, he fails to show love for jehovah god...is food a big thing in his life?

  if in the presents of others, does he selfishly ignore thier needs and take far more then his share?

  is he grossly overweight but shows no restraint at all as to food, habitually gorging himself?

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  lesterd

  Narrow is the "door" to salvation...NO FAT PEOPLE ALLOWED
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  Do You Recognize Your Baptism?

  by sweetstuff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was promised that this generation would no means pass away.

  (live forever book, pg.

  154) i brought this up, although it has probably been discussed before, because i am sure some people right now are worrying how to handle an elder's visit or call.

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  lesterd

  Of course there not valid!!! if they were made to an organization and not to God.
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  Is it possible to have an unbiased opinion on this Question:

  by freeme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the immorailty.... what is more likely:.

  a) the immorality of the world is the result of evolution, since individuals with an high sex drive will have more offspring.... or.

  b) the immorality of the world was introduced because adam&eve ate a forbidden fruit and obeyed an evil angel?.

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  Its the opposit of morality...it involves a lot more than sex.

  Wikipedia: Morality (from Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behaviour") refers to matters of right and wrong, or "good and evil". Whilst 'morality' and 'ethics' are broadly interchangeable terms, 'morality' usually refers to the actual principles held as authoritative in governing correct behaviour. By contrast 'ethics' more commonly refers to the systematic philosophical study of these principles,

  Its a code of ethics that governs our decision making, how it evolves is how you feed it .
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  one shot

  by lesterd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking about all the reward and punishment that is taught in all religions.

  what if you knew this life was your all you got, would you waste it trying to isure a spot in paradise, be it heaven or earth?.

  if you knew there was a creator and the 'shelf life" of his creations were dated, what changges would you make?.

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  lesterd

  I was thinking about all the reward and punishment that is taught in all religions. What if you knew this life was your all you got, would you waste it trying to isure a spot in paradise, be it heaven or earth?

  If you knew there was a creator and the 'shelf life" of his creations were dated, what changges would you make?

  With that knowledge, what knid of relationship would you pursue with your creator?

  I would like your thoughts.
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  Jesus is bisexual according to the watchtower!

  by 5go in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it just hit me 144,000 are married to the jesus christ yet it is made of men and women all kings.

  so really he is technically gay.. .

  so then why are the witnesses for not for gay marriage?.

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  Come on now!! Luke 20: 34 clears that up;

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  Jesus said to them: "The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. 36 In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection.

  For all thier faults, yours is a wilder stretch of the imagination.

  Chirst probably lost his power to self procreating, that Adam had before he had it ripped out of him to create Eve, being born of humane parents.
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  What affected you more, growing up in the cult, or a dysfunctional family?

  by Bumble Bee in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i think for me, it was the dysfunctional family.

  things from my childhood are finally getting to me.

  i've tried for so long to just push them to the back of my mind.

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  Amen, that was very hard to figure out, their both the same
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  Is this abuser a pedophile or messed up victim of abuse

  by LearningToFly in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i've been trying to figure this one out for awhile now, it's something i have let go and dealt with but i do have some questions regarding it now.

  when i was seven, i had an older jw female cousin who was thirteen who forced me into sexual activities.

  she used threat of bodily harm as her way of forcing this.

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  Does what one do make them what they are? She was acting on the bases she was taught, thats all she knew, to her that was "normal". When we are young, all things are new, and unless told otherwise, it may appear right at the time.

  Now, my thoughts are, was she a victim acting out her abuse on others, or would she be considered a predator by the law and societies viewpoints. Even I can't define her behavior. And I do have very strong feelings against sexual predators and pedophiles

  Who would get her into therapy? Her abuser? she didn't have a choice or a chance.

  I think to myself now, if this was my child, I would have gotten her therapy for her behaviours as well as the abuse she experienced, but this was never done as far as I know. It was just kept a big family secret, no one telling anyone their experiences or sharing.
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  I just can't shake this feeling about the word Jehovah, and Now I know why

  by A-Team in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  had to do a little historic research to find out that jehovah is actually 2 hebrew words compounded: yah(h) and hovah.

  yah(h) means: "i exist," "i am," "i create," or "i will be or bring into being.

  hovah means: ruin, mischif, but yet,it's root, havvah,translates as: "calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.

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  lesterd

  HE is the "creator and destroyer"
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  They lied-BIG TIME, do they have a conscious?

  by Junction-Guy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  folks i know what it was like to be raised in this religion, but i never knew what it was like to be a convert.

  lately i have come in contact with some jw's, they know nothing about my background.

  i have asked them so very tricky questions, and they have flat out bare faced lied.

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  lesterd

  Hummmm, I wonder if those who write in to the "Questions from our readers" will be marked for "outside research and study?