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Whats the shortest time someone has been an M.S or Elder??

by karter in

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we has one guy who kissed every avalable arse to become an elder only to be remover 3 months latter..

behemot

and it still makes the holy spirit 'holy horse shit'!

Amen, mate!

Behe

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Whats the shortest time someone has been an M.S or Elder??

by karter in

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we has one guy who kissed every avalable arse to become an elder only to be remover 3 months latter..

it seems in your case the elders didn't follow standard procedure: true, the recommendation is not discussed with the candidate but only among elders and Circuit Overseer before sending it to the branch, but when the b.o.e. gets the the approval letter from the branch, and before the public announcement is made, one elder (usually the PO) is supposed to approach the candidate, inform him of the appointment and ask him whether there is any reason, unknown to the elders, that would hinder him from serving as MS/Elder. In case something dubious surfaces, further clarification is asked from the branch and the public announcement is left pending. Nobody should learn about his appointment from the platform.

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Whats the shortest time someone has been an M.S or Elder??

by karter in

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we has one guy who kissed every avalable arse to become an elder only to be remover 3 months latter..

behemot

In my cong. a man was recommended as a MS. While the recommendation was being processed at the branch office he committed adultery with a workmate. A few days after his "sin" the elders got the letter from the Branch with the approval of his appointment as MS. Apparently "holy spirit" didn't know he was being naughty. Needless to say, the guy didn't even get to be announced as a MS.

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We were all Atheists when we were born, at what age did you change?

by cyberjesus in

i was a born in.

but when i was born i knew nothing.

i had no deity nor i knew what a god was therefore i was atheist.

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Some scientists think that we are naturally born believers, i.e. that "religion emerges as a natural by-product of the way the human mind works" because "some of the unique cognitive capacities that have made us so successful as a species also work together to create a tendency for supernatural thinking".

Religious switching, sticking and leaving in Great Britain

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it seems that the biggest switch is from having a religious affiliation to having none.. read the research here: http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/?p=459.

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It seems that the biggest switch is from having a religious affiliation to having none.

Read the research here: http://www.brin.ac.uk/news/?p=459

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Hi

by bigbird in

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i'm looking for a copy of the organized to do jehovah's will book.

does anyone have a link to a copy.. .

thank you.

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You can download it from here: http://www.kickasstorrents.com/organized-to-do-jehovahs-will-2005-pdf-for-jehovahs-witnesses-only-by-hannahthedog-t77495.html

Christopher Hitchens on mortality

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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/jeff-goldberg-interviews-hitchens/61099/.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/jeff-goldberg-interviews-hitchens/61099/

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JW volunteer injured during KH building

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worker impaled in victoria crane mishaplast updated: wednesday, july 28, 2010 | 3:55 pm pt comments10recommend11cbc newsa crane operator was trapped for two hours and impaled on a piece of metal when a mobile crane toppled over as it was being moved at a victoria worksite on tuesday.. a police spokesperson said it appears the crane slipped over the edge of an excavation site and landed on its side, impaling the operator on a piece of metal.. the crane operator, mike doval, was trapped in the cab for nearly two hours.. doval, described as a licensed and certified crane operator, was cut from the debris and taken to hospital.. he had been volunteering with a team building a kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses at shelbourne and ryan streets.. bill middleton, who chairs the regional building committee for jehovah's witnesses of vancouver island, said doval had surgery on tuesday to remove the rebar from his side and is now recovering in hospital.. he said it's expected doval will be released next week.. police say it's not clear whether worksafebc has jurisdiction to investigate because doval was voluteering at the time of the accident.. read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/07/28/bc-worksafebc-crane-topple-victoria.html#ixzz0v3dkbgkx.

update: worksafe won't cover injured crane operatorstartclickprintexcludeendclickprintexclude.

a crane operator is rescued by emergency workers following an industrial accident on shelbourne street.by arnold lim - victoria news.

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Worker impaled in Victoria crane mishap

Last Updated: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 | 3:55 PM PT Comments10 Recommend11

CBC News

A crane operator was trapped for two hours and impaled on a piece of metal when a mobile crane toppled over as it was being moved at a Victoria worksite on Tuesday.

A police spokesperson said it appears the crane slipped over the edge of an excavation site and landed on its side, impaling the operator on a piece of metal.

The crane operator, Mike Doval, was trapped in the cab for nearly two hours.

Doval, described as a licensed and certified crane operator, was cut from the debris and taken to hospital.

He had been volunteering with a team building a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses at Shelbourne and Ryan streets.

Bill Middleton, who chairs the regional building committee for Jehovah's Witnesses of Vancouver Island, said Doval had surgery on Tuesday to remove the rebar from his side and is now recovering in hospital.

He said it's expected Doval will be released next week.

Police say it's not clear whether WorkSafeBC has jurisdiction to investigate because Doval was voluteering at the time of the accident.

UPDATE: WorkSafe won't cover injured crane operator

A crane operator is rescued by emergency workers following an industrial accident on Shelbourne Street. By Arnold Lim - Victoria News
Published: July 28, 2010 11:00 AM
Updated: July 28, 2010 11:40 AM

Man's body punctured as crane topples

Erin Cardone

News staff

A man trapped and punctured by rebar inside a toppled-over crane won't be covered by WorkSafe B.C.

Although he is a certified crane operator, Mike Doval was volunteering his time as he worked at the site of the future Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses on Shelbourne Street, near Ryan Street.

As he drove the crane, it slipped on a dirt embankment, fell over and trapped him inside at around 2 p.m. Tuesday. A piece of rebar punctured his side near his kidneys, said Const. Mike Massine, a Victoria police spokesman.

It took more than an hour for emergency crews to pull Doval from the flipped crane. He was taken to Royal Jubilee Hospital where he underwent a 45-minute surgery that night, said Bill Middleton, chair of the regional building committee for Jehovah's Witnesses of Vancouver Island.

"We're very thankful Mike came through the operation," Middleton said, adding Doval is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses community. "His wife and family are with him now."

Doval was a crane operator by trade until his retirement. Both Doval and the crane are certified, Middleton said, and the regional building committee is now filing investigation forms with their Toronto branch to begin insurance proceedings.

"We have insurance for all our projects," Middleton said.

A WorkSafe B.C. investigator has been to the work site, but volunteer work doesn't fall under WorkSafe's jurisdiction.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/vancouver_island_south/victorianews/news/99483964.html

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Link between religion and intelligence: a recent research

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the bright, the dim, and the in-betweenby tom reeson wednesday, july 21, 2010previous research has fairly consistently found a small, but statistically significant, link between religion and intelligence.

non-believers score, on average, a few points higher on iq tests than believers.. .

but it's that word 'average' that's the bugbear.

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The bright, the dim, and the in-between

By Tom Rees on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 Previous research has fairly consistently found a small, but statistically significant, link between religion and intelligence. Non-believers score, on average, a few points higher on IQ tests than believers.

But it's that word 'average' that's the bugbear. Averages don't tell you much about what's actually going on with individuals. What's more, IQ tests are not by any means the full story about intelligence.

Recent research by Sharon Bertsch (University of Pittsburgh) and Bryan Pesta (Cleveland State University), goes some way to putting some fascinating details on the story.

They were interested to know whether the relationship between religion and intelligence is linear, or whether the effects are bunched up at either end of the intelligence spectrum. Maybe being at the high end is linked to non-religion, and the low end to religion, but in the middle - Mr and Mrs Average - there might be no relationship at all between intelligence and religion.

They also wanted to know whether not just abstract reasoning (IQ), but also the ability to process information was linked to religiosity. They did this by testing their ability to rapidly judge the different line lengths, and to pick letter out from a crowd.

They also tested how prone people are to 'overclaim'. This is a fascinating test where people are presented with facts (a famous person's name, a scientific concept, or whatever) and they have to say how familiar they are with it. Some of the facts are false, and using some clever processing they can tease out how much the subjects are overclaiming their familiarity with the real facts. So how did the subjects do? Well, they studied a bunch of undergraduates, so they were a bit smarter than average and none of them were really dumb. Broadly speaking, they confirmed their suspicions: the bottom quartile was the most religious, the top quartile the least, and that there was not too much difference between the two middle quartiles.

In other words, what we have here is an outlier effect. It's the people on the fringes who are really driving the correlation between intelligence and non-religion.

The effect was strongest for sectarianism - by which they mean the belief that your particular religion is the only true religion. That's the one shown in the figure. But they got similar results for scriptural acceptance and religious questioning (the brightest quartile were least accepting of scriptural truth and the most willing to question beliefs). And they found the same sort of relationship between information processing ability.

So, the question then is what is really driving this effect? Is it IQ, or is it information-processing ability? Well, they found that, when they lumped both in a statistical model, information-processing ability was actually more powerful as a predictor than IQ. In fact, with information-processing ability in the model, IQ became irrelevant.

Now that's a remarkable result. Why on earth should judging line lengths, rapidly selecting letter targets, and accurately rating your own familiarity with real-world concepts be linked to non-religion? The authors suggest that these are indicators of the efficiency of neural processing, which in turn might be a building block for the development of more complex cognition and rational thought.

Only more research will tease that one out - and it should be remembered that this research was done in the psychologists guinea pig - mainly white, mainly Christian, US undergraduates. Does it apply to anyone else? Who knows!

On the plus side, however, this is one of the few studies on intelligence and religion that has involved actual lab research, rather than retrospective analysis of data collected for other reasons. That makes it considerably stronger than most studies into this link - albeit for a fairly narrowly defined representation of the human race!

Bertsch, S., & Pesta, B. (2009). The Wonderlic Personnel Test and elementary cognitive tasks as predictors of religious sectarianism, scriptural acceptance and religious questioning? Intelligence, 37 (3), 231-237 source: http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2010/07/bright-dim-and-in-between.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BhaScienceGroup+(Epiphenom )

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